Science Reconsidered

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Will Aussies become Up Over rather than Down Under.
     
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    Classic.

    Imagine From then on it will be from "bottom to top" and betting will be on the "under/over"
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Or a world turned upside down - hurrah





    Whether it is top to bottom or bottom up,
    :flagcanada: will remain, below.​
     
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    I do agree we will remain below the radar of most americans. If not for your unrelenting campaign, no americans would even have a clue.
     
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    Above read of Neanderthal's in California.

    How about an Atlantean Australia.
    Before the sea levels rose.
    Sure makes Solutreans in the new world more plausible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/50-000-old-apos-atlantis-114139512.html

    50,000-year-old 'Atlantis of the South' discovered in Australia

    The earliest known human settlements in Australia, now submerged by the sea, have been discovered.


    The unprecedented find of bones and artefacts were discovered in a cave at the coast of Barrow Island, which lies about 50 kilometres from mainland Western Australia. These are remains from some of the first human inhabitation of Australia 50,000 years ago, according to a study published in Quaternary Science Reviews.

    "The large cave on Barrow Island provided rich records of ancient artefacts, gathering and hunting of marine and arid animals, and environmental signatures which show the use of a now-drowned coastal desert landscape – if you like an Atlantis of the South," Veth said.


    Did they lose the ability to be seafarers as the people of Easter Island did?

    Obviously, peoples took long voyages tens of thousands of years before we like to admit it.



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  6. Jack Inthebox

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    It is not only the dubiety of "scientific" claims; there is also the matter of the scientific heart. It has been proven that carbon-based fuel, mega-farming techniques like Roundup, tehnologies like CFC's are devastating to the planet - but as these systems produce massive profits for the handmaiden of Science, "Business," they are still proliferating. The scientific heart is greedy, overbearing, selfish, arrogant, intractable, and insane. Reason, analysis, rationality - these modes of mentation, ascetic elegant idiocy - are destroying mankind and the planet we live on. Way back during the Industrial Revolution there was an obscure poet/painter named William Blake who invented a whole mythology to warn people not to make a god out of science - and nobody listened. Blake considered Newton, Bacon and Locke to be abominations - though every school kid in the Western world has been taught to worship them as geniuses. Why were not the view of Blake, Swedenborg, Boehm as widely disseminated as those of the "enlightened" founders of the industrial revolution? Because the obscene profits of the few would have suffered. It should become common knowledge that without a foundation of empathy, compassion, no logical system is anything but a weapon.
     
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    The "scientific heart"? Science doesn't have a "heart". It has accepted an methodology by which ALL scientific knowledge is assessed.

    As for science fueling technological innovation, commercialization, and economic/social change, yeppers.
    That's the way it has worked since day one and the reason you can sit in front of your computer and express yourself to the world.
     
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    Newton, Bacon and Locke did not create massive industries through their writings and discoveries. Where in the world did you get the idea that these three somehow were the foundations for profits? Do you want to know where the real profits came from? Electricity. Now are you claiming that the discovery of electricity and it's use in almost every aspect of life made us better or worse?
     
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    If you like this topic, go read this book.

    Eden in the East, Oppenheimer.
     
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    Truthfully, it is highly unlikely.
    The demons of ADHD come back in old age and I read articles, but no books.
    Luckily my medical school invented synopsis text books. Univ. of Calif. San Francisco Medical Center.
    So how about a synopsis or the point of the book here? Gracias.

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    here is a review of it from Amazon....as with all alternative histories, people take issue with these ideas but the book is pretty interesting, he is a scientist but not an archeologist, nevertheless, he cites other sources for his book and one never knows...the earth was indeed dominated by ice caps for long periods of our history which means the seas retreated significantly...

    https://www.amazon.com/Eden-East-Dr...&sr=8-1&keywords=eden+of+the+east+oppenheimer
     
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    I can believe it.
    The great river valleys were survival retreats.
    Too bad we will never have access to Asian sites of primitive peoples.
    We might learn it ain't all Africa.
     
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    Computer science has destroyed intellectual property rights. Anybody who spends years, days weeks, hours painting a picture, composing and presenting a song, writing a book - they have no way of being guaranteed payment for their works. Typical rush-to-profit of the technological innovator. Science is thus death on creativity.
     
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    ADHD is a label applied to 5-year-olds, new human animals, with a primary gift of motility, suddenly finding themselves required to remain sedentary - stock still - for five hours a day. It is unnatural. But the pedagogic establishment doesn't like it. The medical community labels it a "syndrome," and push chronic Ritalin, for instance, on children. ADHD is not a disease, not a syndrome - it is a judgement, a curse leveled by science against humanity. Medical "science" has all kinds of chronic symptomatic medicines, all kinds of psychotropic nostrums to throw at people whom science has condemned to a miserable robotic work-life-style. Medical science will on a given day begin a barrage of commercials for prescription medications - "Ask your doctor if it's right for you" - then there will a few years down the line, after these rush-to-profit quacks and their pharmaceutical henchmen have made a mint on the pill/capsule, there will appear lawyers' adds about class-action suits notifying "patients" that the side-effects of the new pill are devastating or perhaps killing people en mass. The "scientists" would much rather pay malpractice/class-action claims than shell out money to determine whether a new pill is safe. Sickening. The physicians have no time for psychotherapy, psychoanalysis, non-chemical de-briefing of combat veterans. Not remunerative enough. So - throw a pill at the poor suckers. Science - Ugh!
     
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    Lookie what I just found :woot:
    https://www.cnet.com/news/history-rewritten-with-europe-the-birthplace-of-mankind/
    History rewritten, with Europe the birthplace of mankind
    It looks like we humans may have evolved from an ape-like
    creature found in Bulgaria and Greece, not Africa.

    The findings shift the location of the last common ancestor of both chimpanzees and humans, what some refer to as the Missing Link, to the Mediterranean. Our ancestors were apparently already starting to evolve in Europe 200,000 years before the earliest African hominid.

    How inconvenient for the Out of Africa crowd.

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    No, it has not destroyed intellectual property rights. The "digital revolution" is TRANSFORMATIVE forcing a rethink of all kinds of heretofore established norms.

    OTOH, you seem to think that science is death to creativity, which indicates to me that you are not a very active participant in that revolution. With the revolution's new sources, techniques and social methodologies to exploit this "virtually" unlimited global knowlege transfer, individuals are empowered to express their creativity, their inspirations, their innovations, their visions, their wisdom, their needs like never before in human history.

    WE are just old farts watching as the march of time passes us by. Relics in body if not in mind.
     
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    A major blow to Black Supremacist who like to
    glorify Ancient Egypt as Black.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eveals-their-ancestry/?utm_term=.395aafe83ca6
    DNA from ancient Egyptian
    mummies reveals their ancestry

    Ancient Egyptians were closely related to people who lived along the eastern Mediterranean, the analysis showed. They also shared genetic material with residents of the Turkish peninsula at the time and Europe.
    “The other big surprise,” Krause said, “was we didn't find much sub-Saharan African ancestry.”
    It was not until relatively recently in Egypt's long history that sub-Saharan genetic influences became more pronounced. “In the last 1,500 years, Egypt became more African, if you want,” Krause said. . . .

    No more calling ancient Egypt, Black :woot:
    Well Black Supremacist still have Timbuktu although maybe we can determine the ancients of Timbuktu were not Sub Saharan African, aka Black, either.

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    Ozone watch
    Alert. Alert
    Those Midwestern storms are creating havoc on our ozone.
    Save the ozone, turn off the storms. :rant:
    I mean we agree those storms are a product of man made global warming, right? :lol:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/bbf764a0-bf86-3402-8e09-cf3668bafae1/ss_scientists-may-have-just.html
    Scientists may have just found
    an unexpected new threat to the ozone layer

    Severe storms over the central United States may be posing bigger problems beyond bad weather. New research suggests that frequent summertime storms in the Great Plains region could be depleting the protective ozone layer in the upper atmosphere, putting humans at increased risk of unhealthy exposure to ultraviolet radiation. . .

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    Geeeeeeee. must be a black day for black supremecists since they are now going to have to revise the ciruculum of "black history" month.

    OTOH, I doubt that the vast majority of blacks give a crap.

    Aside: Our evil plan is working perfectly, now that we got Trump elected and he's doing exactly what we thought he would. - Oh damn, listen don't tell anyone it was us and not the russians, they might get mad and we'd have to apologize, eh?
     
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    simple solution - fill a whole bunch of spray cans with ozone and distribute to everyone. Then declare "international ozone repair day" and have everyone spray their ozone (sans CFCs of course) cans in the air while chanting Gaia is the best.
     
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    That depends on your definition of human being. That tissue (one cell with DNA from two contributors) contains all the information and other things it needs to become a human being. If you allow it to develop it will likely become a functioning human no different than anyone else. Since all human beings (excepting parthenogenesis) begin this way then I would rely on that as the default.
     
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    The definition of a Human Being is a Multi-Cellular....Multi-Species Bio-mechanical construct.

    AA
     
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    Not sure what it is but it sounds cool.
     
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    Most people don't know this but of the total number of living cells in a Human Being 90% ARE NOT HUMAN!!

    That is a FACT you can check it out.

    AA
     
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    Humanity in Australia?
    A matter or debate
    ;)
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8102c27d-0a2d-3065-a5ee-b34cf2ec0252/ss_the-first-humans-got-to.html

    "The first humans arrived in Australia up to 15,000 years earlier than previously thought, scientists have announced. During excavations of the Madjedbebe rock shelter in northern Australia, researchers have found thousands of artefacts, including stone tools, grinding stones and hatchets, showing humans must have been at the site at least 65,000 years ago. The findings, published in Nature, have major implications for our understanding of early human migration beyond Asia, why Australia’s megafauna went extinct, and, potentially, if these early humans interacted with Homo floresiensis, the mystery “hobbit-like” species found only on the Indonesian island of Flores. Madjedbebe is one of the key sites when it comes to the debate of when humans first arrived in Australia. ..."

    I hope they establish the H.erectus genome and solve the mystery of archaic human genome labeling. Such a labeled genome is attributed to altitude resistance in Tibetans.
    I find it hard to believe H. erectus did not contribute to the modern genome.
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    Moi :oldman:
    It was after the last
    Massive Earth Crust Displacement
    event I tell ya.


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