SCOTUS and Gay Marriage Debate

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    Oh yes , of course. That's what I suspected that you meant. The issue is marriage equality between gay couples and straight couples. You can say that it just means gay marriage if you like. Who are the others that you want included in marriage that I'm leaving out? Those into pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia? Are you calling me a hypocrite? Must you resort to a logical fallacy ? Surely you can do better than that. Or can you?

     
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    It does just mean gay marriages. It still excludes other consenting partnerships, namely incest and polygamy. What reason is there to ban two gay brothers from marrying? What reason is there to deny polygamy? Calling gay marriage 'marriage equality' is a joke, it's a misnomer. Like if I said, "hey, both whites and Asians have equal rights, therefore we have racial equality!" Ignoring the other races which might not.

    Speaking of straw fallacies, ever heard of a red herring?

    Ever heard of the straw man fallacy? Even a lazy reading of the definition of tu quoque would show that I didn't make such an argument.
     
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    Yes, yes, I understand red herrings and straw man arguments. You,however, still don't seem to understand appeals to hypocrisy because you keep doing it. Incest and polygamy are separate issues as I have said many times before. Whoever wants to marry their sons or daughters, sisters or brothers have twelve wives is free to make their case just as gay people have. They all have their own sets of social and legal impacts.

    As I also said, you can insist on calling it gay marriage and that it's not "equality" It does not matter and does not mean a hill of beans. It's just words. I do believe that you are capable of better then this.However, for some reason your stuck in the mud over word. But it won't alter the outcome and you know what that will be. Ready to concede the debate to me yet?
     
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    Yet you continually insist on straw men, namely by stating that I was making an appeal to hypocrisy. There's no need to be so super-defensive.

    No, I pointed out an oddity that occurs when people say things like "we now have marriage equality in 37 states" when they mean "we now have gay marriage in 37 states": it's intellectually dishonest. Despite your multiple attempts at straw men, it wasn't an ad hominem or argument against gay marriage. You can continue to call it 'equality', it's still going to be as intellectually disingenuous as saying that a country that denies civil rights only to blacks has "racial equality". Some people have no problem being intellectually dishonest, I can't stop them, all I can do is point it out.

    Yeah, I never said it would. :applause:

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    " I do believe that you are capable of better then this.However, for some reason your stuck in the mud "
     
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    Nearly 2000 faith leaders from across country urge SCOTUS to rule for the freedom to marry


    Dozens of amicus briefs urge the U.S. Supreme Court to end marriage discrimination

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    Nearly 400 businesses urge the Supreme Court to rule in favor of the freedom to marry

     
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    Here is a link to the Supreme Court website http://www.supremecourt.gov/ObergefellHodges/PartyBriefs/

    There, they have taken the unusual step of posting the 4 legal briefs submitted on behalf of the plaintiffs seeking to invalidate the state bans on same sex marriage.

    The arguments are succinct and comprehensive. The states are due to reply later this month and oral arguments will be April 28th

    Lets see who is smart enough to respond to any or all of these briefs with a convincing legal argument for preserving the bans.

    Reddy , set, go!!
     
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    Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage Nationwide http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/supreme-court-gay-marriage_n_7470036.html

    :clapping::clapping::clapping:
     
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    Today's 5-4 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges will likely be studies by legal scholars for centuries. The crazed rantings of Justice Clarence Thomas and Justice Antonin Scalia notwithstanding, the decision is a fascinating read.

    But it's Justice Anthony Kennedy's majority, and the last paragraph, all 124 words, that is exquisite.

    "No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."

    Here's an image of it – save it to your hard drive, take a picture of it, keep it handy. Always remember, #LoveWins. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ority_opinion_on_marriage_to_remember_forever
     
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    It appears that in the wake of the court’s decision, it’s not only the Republican politicians and the preachers that are having meltdowns. ………..

    Marriage Equality Ruling Sparks Rise In Anti-LGBT Violence (VIDEO)

    We’re all celebrating because of the Supreme Court’s ruling that made marriage equality the law of the land, but as expected, there has been serious backlash from conservatives and other homophobes. Most supporters are brushing it off; after all, it’s a done deal. However, a more serious situation surrounding discontent with the ruling has come to light: A rise in anti-LGBT hate crimes. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...ling-sparks-rise-in-anti-lgbt-violence-video/

    South Dakota County Clerk Threatens To Marry Her Dog To Oppose Gay Marriage
    Not willing to set herself on fire, a South Dakota county clerk has decided to oppose gay marriage in a less painful but equally nonsensical way: She will try to marry her dog.

    Once again proving that the only slippery slope exists in the fevered minds of the homophobe, the Sioux Falls resident apparently believes that if she were to marry her dog this would prove that gay marriage is wrong, although you would be hard pressed to figure out how. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...tens-to-marry-her-dog-to-oppose-gay-marriage/

    Tennessee Hardware Store Puts Up ‘No Gays Allowed’ Sign To Protest Marriage Equality (VIDEO)
    A Baptist minister and owner of a Tennessee hardware store is very concerned that “the gays” might handle his tools. Jeff Amyx, who owns Amyx Hardware & Roofing Supplies in Grainger County, Tennessee, reacted to the Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision that the definition of “marriage” includes same-sex couples in pretty much the same way the rest of the conservative world did: with an immature and discriminatory action. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...owed-sign-to-protest-marriage-equality-video/
     

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