Sen Warren is double vaxed and boosted.. and still just tested positive for the China Virus

they realized some people were confused, so they cleared up that confusion, we can see from this thread how confused some anti-vaxxers are

"The Polio vaccine was just to reduce the symptoms and effects?"

the Polio vaccine was to teach the body to fight off the Polio virus when people got it, same as the covid vaccine does

 

All previous vaccines don't "train your body"... they give you the antibodies, ready and waiting to kill the intruder. Traditionally they are made from weakened virus' that build up antibodies before the full force virus ever gets to you.

 

all vaccines have ever done is help teach the body to fight off the virus when you catch it, nothing more

now with non-airborn virus's, you're more likely to fight it off before you infect more people

with the vaccine, you're more likely to not get really sick or die

 

same as the covid vaccine, just the covid virus is airborne and can spread before your body gets it under control

but the vaccine still trains your immune systems to fight the virus

 

even a trained immune system can lose the fight

example, a nurse in a covid unit for a year wins every fight with covid over multiple exposures, but one day her immune system is compromised, and she could lose the fight and the virus win that battle

sadly, that is just life, and the reality of our immune systems capabilities

 

Oh yeah, happens all the time! It’s like you wake up one morning, go to the restroom, push a bit too hard, pop a blood vessel in your left eye, and compromise your immunity for a day.

 

yep, you could have a stroke brushing your teeth in the morning, not a failure of the tooth brush and proof you should not brush your teeth

 

I guess someone should request a refund from OWS!

 

They don't deem to be working scientifically either.

 

yep, if they believe the vaccine is a failure, guess they blame the Trump admin's OWS for it?

 

She probably didn't wear a mask or watch the President demonstrate how to wash her hands.

 

What are you talking about? She is a Native American who was purposely infected with a novel pathogen by evil white supremacists who want to take her land. History repeats itself!

 

Oh, dear.......so there are still people who don't know the vaccine is designed to minimize the risk of getting sick from it. How can you still be so ignorant of it after all this time?

How do you think the native Indians got sick and died from diseases which did not affect white folks? It was because the viruses were still around, but since whites had immunity against them they didn't get sick from it.

Don't take the vaccine. If you don't want it, then don't take it, but what's the point of raving about it every day? Why not let people who are concerned about getting sick take it. What's the motivation behind trying to talk people out of it?

Its due to your inability to understand the fact that the virus can still fall on you even after getting the shot, but it is far less likely to get you sick. Warren probably wouldn't even know that she carries the virus if it wasn't for the mandatory tests they do for all reps.

 

I think they are questioning the motivation for pushing people reluctantly into it. You know the worst thing coming from this damned disease? It's the hatred and division the government is fostering with their orders that don't seem to make sense. That and the near total destruction of a roaring economy.

 

If you read what the OP is saying, it is very clear he was 100% unaware of what the vaccine is designed to do.

The economy grew by 2.2% the year before Covid, and that is closer to 'pathetic' than 'roaring'. Having said that the goal of the anti-vaxxers seems to be to invoke another round of close-downs for political reasons (another economic hit would serve them better in the mid-terms).

 

But smallpox is airborne. It’s highly contagious. And smallpox vaccines are 95% effective at preventing infection. Measles is highly contagious and airborne. Measles vaccines are in the mid 90% range effective in preventing infection/transmission.

Efficacy of vaccines in preventing infection and transmission is not a direct function of the mode of transmission of the pathogen.

 

Many vaccines work like current Covid vaccines ended up. People who design vaccines have the goal of ending up with vaccines that prevent infection. That was the goal with Covid vaccines. It failed. Often it isn’t possible. Influenza is one example of a vaccine that doesn’t provide sterilizing immunity though we’ve tried and tried. You offer examples of some that do provide better sterilizing immunity. Both types exist.

The problem isn’t that Covid vaccines don’t prevent all infections. The problem is how they are misrepresented by people who know better. Instead of just telling you all the good, bad and ugly, you get bits and pieces of sugar coated information. Then when the truth comes out there is no longer any trust. Nor should there be.

 

Based on what I have read smallpox has been eradicated by the vaccination efforts. Measles is still around but rare and you can still get it after vaccines, but because of vaccines the symptoms are be mild, as is the case with Covid. Maybe the term "infected" depends on what people mean by it. Even if the Europeans did not suffer mass casualties from viruses, they must have been infected aka carrying the diseases which killed off the Indians in US. South American Indians also lost 90% of their population to diseases, but its not knows for sure what that disease was, but it is suspected to be salmonella, which is bacteria, not virus.

If there is an intruder, then you were infected. You seem to think the vaccines somehow make the viruses bounce off your skin.

"Training the body" and having antibodies it obviously the same thing.

 

I think 80% of Americans are unclear what the vaccine is designed to do this week.

You must live in Canada.

 

Surely you mean 80% of the people you associate with. No, I live in Florida, and most people understand the vaccine is designed to minimize the risk of getting seriously ill, or die from Covid.

 

That's this week.

 

Colorado Democrat tests positive for COVID-19 after trip to to Ukraine (msn.com)

about the same article warren is an idiot period

 

Yes, as far as we know smallpox only exists in laboratories. That is irrelevant to the fact it’s an airborne (aerosol transmission) virus that vaccine provided prevention of infection for. Same with measles. Not 100% prevention of infection but it is one of the best vaccines at preventing infection we have ever had.

Yes, the definition of infection plays a part. But at the end of the day, vaccines for airborne diseases like measles and smallpox are much better at preventing infection (especially long term) than current Covid vaccines. This invalidates the claim I responded to regardless of what definition of infection you subscribe to.

European settlers and explorers contracted and died of smallpox. There were epidemics of smallpox in colonial societies. Death rates were lower because Europeans had a pretty high level of herd immunity from endemic exposure.

Not necessarily. You harbor millions (more likely billions or trillions) of viruses, bacteria, and other microbes in your body that do not infect you. Your gut is full of microbiota that can infect and kill you if you have an immune system dysfunction or an internal injury. Otherwise, they are living in your body as “intruders”. Sometimes benignly, and often symbiotically.

To be infected with a virus, it must inject it’s genetic material into your living cells and hijack the cellular processes and resources to replicate itself.

Both the innate and adaptive immune components of our immune system have the ability to prevent infection even when viruses “intrude” into our respiratory systems etc.

 

Would you agree that a person who tests positive for Covid would be "infected" even if there are no symptoms whatsoever? There is nothing that can prevent a virus from entering the body and hence 'infecting' it so that it can be detected by a test. If smallpox was still around and people were immune to it, there would be people who carry the virus and if everyone was tested, it would reveal how many carry it. Or would it be undetectable because the immune system destroys it before it become detectable. Maybe that would depend on the test. IMO, it would be clearer if there was a way to differentiate between people simply testing positive and being infected to a point of being sick from it.

The biggest killer was influenza, to which Europeans had far better immunity than Natives, who had never been exposed. The reason why I mentioned it was to illustrate that you can be "infected" aka "positive" and it can be irrelevant if it does not affect you. The problem is that you can transmit it simply by sneezing.

It goes back to that "infected" means. If you test positive, they say you are infected, be it with, or without symptoms.

Right

Ok. At what point does it become detectable? I suppose it would require some time for it to replicate before it reaches the point of being detectable.

 

not like covid, covid is more contagious and is also faster in the body

in both cases, you get the virus and the immune system fights it

vaccines do not stop you from getting ANY virus, never has, they help train your immune system to fight it off if you do get it