SERIOUS Compromise between Pro gun and gun control!

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Sackeshi, Mar 30, 2020.

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  1. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    No they turn in their guns voluntarily to get their state funded healthcare.
     
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    And if they don't agree - what happens?
     
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    People used knives in homicide 8x more than they used all types of rifles combined.

    Assault weapons bans will save exactly 0 lives and at best will further anger and divide this country and at worst cause a justified revolution..
     
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    I tend to use a candidate’s past and current stated positions on gun Control as an initial litmus test. My liberal friends suggest I am a one issue voter, ignoring the other potentially beneficial positions a candidate might advocate. I posit, if a candidate advocates an anti gun position and is willing to subvert 2A rights, then it is a good condition they will be willing to infringe on any right protected under the Constitution to achieve their objective. You statement above well illustrates that you are willing to violate many rights in your quest. You are not alone, many of those on the Left are willing to selectively suspend Constitutionally protected rights to achieve their objectives. One reason we have the 2A is to prevent a group from ignoring the Principles of the Constitution to achieve their political objectives.

    What constitutes an illegal gun?
    In court, you’d have a hard time making a case that selling to and arming criminals is the motive.

    You are suggesting that owning a smart phone be required. Aside from the logistic and other issues, again you are advocating infringing on rights. As for finding my way around another state, I regularly travel in two border states and have lived long enough in more than one to know them intimately. Then too, my consulting business and the hundreds of seminars I have conducted have taken me to some 45 states, many repeatedly, where I have a pretty good spatial knowledge base to navigate them. Then, of course, they still make paper maps, sold at most fueling points, or for a 23 year old is that a foreign concept?
    Private sales are protected by federal law, is an extension of the individual liberty to sell private property, and regardless of the law, impossible to track. As for laws relevant to the practice, it is illegal to knowingly sell to a prohibited person, privately engage in selling guns as a business without an FFL. As for identifying sales to prohibited people, the Government, has denied the use of NICS to private sellers, something universally opposed by Leftists pushing other agendas, such as pushing for gun registration, overall attempts at impeding gun transfer, etc.
    The debate on UBC’s, visit the threads where that has been debated extensively, and where those advocating UBC’s get trashed with each attempt of pushing that debate.
     
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    No public healthcare.
     
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    Then accept you are ill informed about the Constitution, existing laws- both state and federal, and the the arguments already abundant in the gun debate, and take the responsibility for informing your self... not just from the Leftist sources pushing tangent objectives... but from the perspective of history and from all sides of the debate. Your positions lack credibility, one reason why you are pretty much dismissed. At 23, few are well informed, regardless of which side of the debate they advocate, beyond the superficial indoctrination of the dogma and mantras of the media pundants from which they get their information; if you think they provide some semblance of factual information, then you’ve a lot of learning to do.
     
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    Only if they still have guns.
    How will the state know they still have guns?
    And what if they do not want state health care?
     
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    Any gun that automatically loads.
     
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    As he matures, his trolling will get better.
     
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    They won't other than the refusal to show bank records showing how many they bought.

    Kinda like how they still arrest you for drunk driving if you don't take a breathalyzer test.
     
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    A tern you cannot meaningfully define.
     
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    What about the people who stole their guns, illegally bought their guns, inherited their guns, were given the guns as gifts, or bought their guns with cash or trade?
    How will the state know they have guns?
     
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    Auto=fires multiple rounds with one pull
    Semi auto= Automatically reloads but only fires one bullet per trigger pull

    The term is semi automatic weapon
     
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    Those are obvious when they refuse the car and house search.
     
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    Ah - the old "if you have nothing to hide, there's no reason to not let us cavity search you".

    You understand the bill of rights was created because of people like you - right?
     
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    Why do you continue to use the wrong term?
     
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    Aside from your fantasy, and perhaps this wish of many anti gun advocates of banning Semi-automatics which perhaps you are referring to, I have never seen a gun load itself, though in teaching my girls gun safety I continually used that statement to impress on them the importance verifying a gun’s condition for themselves, to know if a gun was loaded or not and always otherwise assuming a gun is loaded.

    Before we move on, what do you think a sets apart a Semi Auto from any other class of guns? If you encountered a gun, do you think you could tell a semi auto from any other class of gun? BTW, I suspect the majority of anti-gun advocates could not.
     
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    You sure, or just reading someone else’s definition?
     
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    My understanding of a semi auto vs a regular gun is a regular gun required each individual bullet to be loaded in the gun vs a belt or mag that stores the bullets.
     
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    This is the WIKI definition (only one I could find)

    A semi-automatic firearm, also called self-loading firearm or autoloading firearm, is one whose action mechanism automatically loads a following round of cartridge into the chamber and prepares it for subsequent firing, but requires the shooter to manually actuate the trigger in order to discharge each shot.
     
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    Staying silent, even refusing an involuntary search is not evidence of anything in our legal system.
     
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    Thank you for your admission of ignorance.
    This explains a lot.

    This gun has a magazine.

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    So does this one.

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    These are, according to you, not "regular guns".
     
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    what about with DUI's people get put in jail for refusing a breathalyzer.
     
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    HIS legal system, where there are no 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th amendment rights, is different.
     
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    And you suppose WIKI Is an authority? Doesn’t answer the question can you identify a gun’s action?
     

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