Shots were fired at Israeli embassy in Amman

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  1. Jazz

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    Jordanian killed, Israeli wounded at Israeli embassy
    Three people, including an Israeli man, were wounded by gunfire Sunday in a residential building in the heavily fortified Israeli embassy compound in Jordan's capital, the kingdom's Public Security Directorate said.
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    Before the shooting, Jordanians had entered the apartment building for carpentry work, the statement said.
    One of the Jordanians was critically wounded and later died at a hospital, according to Hala Akhbar, a news site linked to the Jordanian military. The site said the Israeli man was in "unstable" condition.

    A Jordanian security official confirmed that a Jordanian had been killed and an Israeli wounded. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the incident with the media.

    The Israeli Foreign Ministry had no immediate comment.

    The incident comes at a time of mounting tensions between Israel and the Muslim world over metal detectors Israel installed at a Jerusalem shrine revered by Muslims and Jews.

    Jordan is the Muslim custodian of the site. On Friday, thousands of Jordanians staged an anti-Israeli protest in Amman.

    https://www.sootoday.com/world-news/jordanian-killed-israeli-wounded-at-israeli-embassy-678033
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    That could trigger a nuclear war!
    Right now we don't know who fired the first shot.
    In the German news I read that two Jordanians were killed and one Israeli wounded.
     
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    It is about Al Asqa and is developing into a diplomatic crises

    This seems to be about Israel's intention to take over the area - something which has been expected for some time and wanted by the Israeli Right but which has believed will result in a Hoy War.

    It began with three Israeli Arabs killing two Israeli Police there

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=93784

    Israeli responded by putting in metal detectors - she has I think or is also going to put in metal walks for them like they have at the checkpoints before they can get in.
    The al-Aqsa metal detectors aren't a security measure


    Word has it that Shin Bet and the IDF warned Netanyahu against doing this. Israel is not responsible for the Mosque.

    So then on Friday Muslims will not go into the Mosque - in any case Muslim Men under 50 not allowed. Apparently Muslim visitors who had come just to go to the Mosque also stayed outside. From what I hear Christians are also supporting the Muslims.

    Anyway just been skimming things. On Friday Israel brought in a massive amount of troops to the area. The people started chanting - that was enough to get the troops started. 2 Young men killed, by Israeli troops one by a settler. The UN is wanting to know why these people have been killed.

    UN chief calls for probe into deaths of two teenagers and young man as tension grows over al-Aqsa restrictions.


    About 450 Palestinians were also injured on Friday. Meanwhile photos of the Palestinians stealing a body of a Palestinian the Israelis have killed as Israel has taken to keeping Palestinian bodies and not giving them for burial.

    Then a Palestinian goes off to a settlement and stabs to death 3 adult settlers. He is not killed, just shot and injured and arrested. He is 19. Israel is quickly destroying his home, I imagine his families home. Meanwhile the Right in Israel is calling for the death penalty for him. It has become usual for even a suspected terrorist to be killed, even shot in the back , but this one for some reason was not. He was arrested to face trial as is right. However the right want him executed as has become the norm for Palestinians of course not Israelis. No destroying or execution of the homes of the people who burnt to death a Palestinian baby and his mother and father for example.

    Halamish attacker's home to be demolished as Israeli ministers call for death penalty

    I am sure I read Israel is also bombing Gaza.

    Anyway it looks like things are really hetting up there and with what is happening at Al Asqa a definite possibility that Israel's issues may spread to the further ME in a Holy War. Given that Israel is not stupid, I am imagining she must believe this is in her interests but then I am reading that Netahyahu made a massive mistake putting in those metal detectors to suit his right wing who want control of Al Asqa.



     
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    How do we "take over" al aqsa with metal detectors again ?

    Loved your terror review btw, real BDS classic moment :)
     
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    The take over of the area has been going on for a long time. That is a long story.
    Dealing simply with the metal detectors which is the last is a very long line of provocations but possibly Israel moving in for the final take over





    http://whatsupic.com/news-politics-world/such-big-deal-why.html
     
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    First I would like to hear at least a part of that long story of taking over Al Aqsa because from what I know only the Palestinians made a great offense when they dug there in 1999, Jews visiting there along with Christian tourists are not an offense, Jews praying there might be an offense (should'nt be IMO, its our holy site just as much) but even then how is it "taking over" ?

    As for what you posted, Israeli police is there because it is part of Israel and they secure the area should things get heated up, the riots Palestinians have there from time to time jeopardize the ppl that pray just below at the wailing wall, but even without that they should secure the Temple mount because its not up to the Palestinians to trash it up when they feel like it, its their Masque but the site is holy for everyone not just Muslims.
    If the Waqf or Jordan are willing to place their own detectors that's just fine - but they wont, regardless Israeli presence will not disappear, if that is the heart of the problem than why not call it by its name - you seek a holy war to drive the Jews out, metal detectors got nothing to do with it.
     
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    You read throu BDS glasses perhaps, take them off and see Gaza launched a rocket last night (2nd time, they did a night before as well) and Israel bombed an empty Hamas post.
     
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    You are suggesting Palestinians dug there. No that was Israelis. Have they stopped?

    which leads on to the expected.

    http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/f...g-for-third-temple-to-replace-al-aqsa-mosque/

    but you have heard of none of this?

    If we get to Nov 2015, the beginning of the knife attacks

    leading to June of this year



    Johnathon Cook whose link the above is has a whole list of links for you to browse at your leisure

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/?s=Al+Aqs


    As you know there is no problem in that. That however is not the situation both with visits and desecration of the site.

    read the full article above

    The problem comes from you wanting to destroy it and put your Third Temple up in its place. As I said if you need any further information then check out the last link I left to Jonathan Cook. If you want to know more put in a search which obviously you have always been capable of doing but are just wanting as a good Israeli to claim ignorance. here is some more information on what you are up to


    Well of course it should not be in your opinion because being a good Israeli you will be wanting to tear it down and build up the Third Temple. The attempt to do that which are bringing you close to a Holy War, which of course you will be hoping spreads worldwide and harms Europe most, being a good Israeli, see Gilos two of us can play at that one.

    When a people who are occupying another people and illegally settling their land who have total power over them by the gun decide they want to change the rules - then they had better make sure they are not trying to change rules which may get 1.6 billion people against them.



    No it is not a part of Israel but you have just put your foot in it and confirmed what Israel is up to. Look at the article. You are trying to make it part of Israel. You have been doing every kind of desecration possible. You have also been displacing/ethnically cleaning Palestinians from East Jerusalem and putting Israelis in settling up tunnels, miracle cows and on and on. It beggars believe what you have been doing but setting up a check system to humiliate Muslims as they go in to worship in their own Mosque claiming your authority over Al Aqsa in land which is legally their's is a step too far and is making me feel sick.

    Read all of this article and then come back, chastened I hope.
     
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    Got your Hamas propaganda hat on firmly today I see. Your right on point. Let's talk about the real issue.

    This attack and all other bull crap about this shrine was instigated, initiated, and perpetuated by HAMAS. It is a flagrant attempt at them to demonize Israel because the Palestinian Authority only paid Israel for a portion of their electric bill. The PA is trying to push Hamas out of Gaza control... As they should. Israel is open to negotiations, the PA is open as well and Trump set the ball rolling during his trip there.

    Hamas actually stated there would be violent repercussions to the electricity issue.. Then they kill Israelis at the shrine right after! Then Israel puts in some safety precautions and here we goooo with Hamas and its allies ranting about Israel. To hold onto power.

    Your opinion is Hamas propaganda. Old news. Old battles, Old grievances. Time to move forward and that means Hamas has to go. For the good of all peoples in the region.
     
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    It has nothing to do with Hamas. I understood from the other thread which people were wanting Israel to kill the civilians of gaza in response, that Hamas had been demanding violent action.

    This is nothing to do with Hamas. This has been going on for years as Israel gradually takes over Al Aqsa. Read some of the information instead of being dumb or do you Israel supporters believe in killing civilians and babies for protest because that was what was being asked for in that thread.
     
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    Palestines Christians and Muslims have got together to defend Al Aqsa


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...-muslims-unite-at-protests-to-defend-al-aqsa/[/quote]
     
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    Prayers of solidarity for Al Aqsa held around UK


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...idarity-for-al-aqsa-to-be-held-across-the-uk/

    I think if Israel and her supporters and wanting to start a Holy War they will be finding the only Christians on their aside will be the American ones crazy for their Armageddon and Rapture.
     
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    We are talking about Al Aqsa/Temple mount, the Palestinians dug there in 1999 with buldozers and threw tons of dirt - of which Israelis are still going throu and btw found some facinating relics, to my knowledge no Israeli ever dug in the Temple mount, not even one spoon of dirt from our hands from that holy place.

    OFC I did, what of it ? do you know how many Muslims publiclly say Jews will all disappear in 7 years ? talks are talks, talking is not "taking over", if you see an Israel crane in Al Aqsa then you get to whine about the 3rd temple, ppl are talking about a temple for 2000 years.


    A cable and a lift to the wailing wall ? that's your evidance for destroying the status que in Al Aqsa ? the wall is Jewish and the Masque is Muslim, if you claim ownership on our wall then what are you complaining about metal detectors ?? you already in a holy war ! lol


    You are reaching........, some ppl that want to build a temple doesnt mean an actual taking over, you said Israel takes over and this metal thing is just the last phase - all you produced so far is works in the Wailing wall and ppl talking about the 3rd temple - that's it, nothing was touched in al aqsa itself other than what the Palestinians dug there. "you want" "we want" everyone wants lady, show me evidance of taking over like you said that is worth murder.
    I dont want to tear it down and I dont want a Temple, I do think Jews should pray there if they chose.

    We are not trying to make it part of Israel - it is a part of Israel, politics and wishful thinking are irrelevant, the Temple mount is part of Jerusalem and Jerusalem is part of Israel, you may have trained your brain to see just one color but reality is not as BDS wants it to be,
    We have made no desecration to that holy place - to sum up what you produced:
    1)Working in the west wall - not al aqsa
    2)Jews visiting and some managed to sneak a prayer while there - if you see that as desecration than there is a problem with you not us.
    3)Some Jews want to build a temple - some Muslims belive some saint will come down from the sky - let's kill ppl for it!!, dumb lame excuse....

    The only ones that did desecrate the place are the Muslims with thier riots and burning and just now murder, that's why Israeli police will stay there , detectors or no.
     
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    Once again, its Muslims that try to start a holy war, metal detectors got nothing to do with it.
     
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    It has everything to do with Hamas, and the lack of substance and confidence in your rebuttal that immediately fell back on fear mongering and personal attacks supports my opinion. Your opinion is divisive, racist, and 100% counter productive to peace there. In other words.. Useless

    There can be no peace with Hamas in control of Gaza. They said they would act. All of this current drama started with them. People need to stop being children reliving the past mistakes of both sides. Oust Hamas and move forward.
     
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    You have'nt produced a single example of taking over, not one tiny thing was taken from al aqsa or turned to be Jewish
     
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    You are correct metal detectors do not. However Israel moving in on her last of a great number of moves to take over Al Aqsa does. Israel hopes she can get away with it due to Trump and her agreement with Egypt/Sauds on popping the people of Gaza out into the Sinai. I suspect your government believe that due to these negotiations about Sinai they will not cause a rumpus, (Of course that is discounting the feelings of their people.) The only thing left is getting the Palestinians out of East Jerusalem....and one of your ministers has already let the cat out of the bag that that is what he wants.

    https://972mag.com/senior-israeli-govt-minister-warns-palestinians-of-third-nakba/128872/

    well at least he is being honest about your previous ethnic cleansing and destructions of towns and villages.

    Abbas is apparently going to freeze security coordination with Israel

    They think it is a plea for help. From whom?
     
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    Ethnicly cleansing Gaza into Sinai........that's the dumbest propaganda I heard in a long time, its much more likely Hamas twsited it because they fear peace, Rafah in Egypt's Sinai was once part of Gaza, they probebly were talking about handing the rest of it to Gaza and Hamas made it to "ethnic cleansing". its not realistic to move 2 mil ppl against their will into a barren desert, its just another BS blood libel.
     
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    is this extreme hyperbole or paranoia?
     
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    What possible results can there be from a holy war in Jerusalem ? the trick is to avoid one not to declare one and expect the world will save you if things turn out worse, that didnt work.
     
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    The part of my post you quoted was not about a holy war. It was suggesting the possible intentions of your government - the ethnic cleansing of the remaining Palestinians from East Jerusalem, a third Nabka as Tzachi Hanegbi is threatening. That your Government may believe this is a good time to do basically do their 'final solution' or most of it, the rest of the West Bank will still need theirs. A 'Holy War' would be something else and not just in Jerusalem with people who are so powerless Israel can do whatever she wants to them- provided there is not an outside reaction. I am guessing Israel believes she can get away with it, that she will not have the outside reaction ....but remember Shin Bet said it was not a good move.
     
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    No, this is a qoute from what you wrote:
    "A senior minister in the Israeli government and a close ally of Prime Minister Netanyahu warned the Palestinian people over the weekend of mass expulsion and ethnic cleansing if they don’t put an end to the current round of violence."
    What he said was not a happy cry for ethnic cleansing but like what I was saying - that a religous holy war in Jerusalem can only end in one of two ways, look they are gathering every day in hundreds at Lion's Gate - that's a Jewish area, they prevent movment and sometimes become violent, that alone cannot continue for long, we still try to appease them but you know it can turn to a mess very quick, this is not a cause for holy war unless they just decide to levrage it to one.
     
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    So Muslims murder two innocent carpenters (cue symbolism) because they are angry Muslims are being viewed with suspicion? Islam seems to have a deleterious effect on the human brain.
     
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    Yes, he is talking about ethnic cleansing. He only mentions Palestinian violence of which there is the initial murder of the police by the 3 Arab israel's who were themselves killed followed by 2 killings of Palestinians by Israeli Security forces and the injury of 450 Palestinians for peaceful protest as well as the murder of a Palestinian by a settler at the protest. That was followed by one person murdering 3 settlers. You have both been at the violence. None of it is acceptable. However in him only pointing out the Palestinian violence he is emotionally trying to excuse himself from what he is saying and/or using this as propagnada hoping simply by reading it people like yourself will believe it. He is building up a case for ethnic cleansing. The article seems to believe he is also inciting violence against the Palestinians. As that article says

    It was a peaceful protest on Friday with no violence only chanting before Israel started firing on them.

    Here is a link to a Haaretz article where they believe Netanyahu moved to please his extremists.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.802872

    Haaretz has an article of an hour ago where they say it is going past the point of no return. I will see if I can read it for free.
     
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    well you can take a horse to water but if they refuse to see it there is nothing you can do.
     
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