Shots were fired at Israeli embassy in Amman

I refuse to accept "alternative" Arch opinions, "Alternative" or is it "New Historian" opinions or any other EU sponssored org. opinions - without facts, so they said there are works being done at the area "encirclement of the al-Aqsa compound" ? what's that? Jerusalem ? yea we are building in Jerusalem and we uncover our own relics in the area, how is that offending Al Aqsa ? I can see why Lefties will be angry because they belive the city should be split but that's political opinion, the fact remains no one touched Al Aqsa, US admin of the time (and today as well for all I know) also thought the city should be split and so works at the old city are not beneficial to peace - but again I ask what changed in Al aqsa?

I think your resentment here is due to Israelis moving ahead with their lives while the Palestinians remain stuck in the 60's for protest. its their choice.

Now you wrote about the many "attacks" by Israeli troops in Al Aqsa during the knife intifada, you probebly mean that Israeli troops just attacked Al aqsa for no reason and only then the riots began, I can produce the opposite evidance, can you produce evidance that Israel attacked first ?

I dont think so, I said I dont accept works at the wall and the area as breaking the status que in the Temple mount because while they are connected its generally agreed that one is ours and the other is "yours" and I also said that if you reject this unofficial break than we are alraedy in a holy war and whatever you claim was done to the masque is irrelevant.

So what now? Im supposed to shout it is and you that its not ? you know my answer.

But I always claimed Jerusalem is an issue that cannot be solved, that's not new, Israel passed alaw of unification decades ago, now you find it problematic ?
The Masque at the Temple mount is a diffrent issue from my perspective and I think it is not from yours, so to cut a long story short - you practiclly complain about East Jerusalem and I focus on Al Aqsa.

Its up to Americans to decide if they surrender to terror or stick with what at least some of them belive, they didnt die because of our politics, they died because of Arab politics that use terror as language.
What you are saying is the Palestinians hav eth eright to fight teh Israelis over Jerusalem, OK, but it got nothing to do with "changes" in Al aqsa, its about claiming Jerusalem.

I simply seperate the fact many Palestinians live there and the fact its a part of Jerusalem and Jerusalem is part of Israel, they live there and can continue to live there - while being part of Israel, we dont need to convert them in order to make it part of Israel its just is, and I know you dont agree, but to our topic, again, its about Jerusalem and not "taking over" Al aqsa, since 1967 Al Aqsa is in Israeli hands.

 

2014 is the knife intifada, they burned and threw rocks from Al AQSA so naturally the police will go in a arrest them, strangly you left out that part.



http://www.palestinechronicle.com/al-aqsa-vs-israel-the-lurking-danger-beneath/

I'm sure a few Arabs also sighted the devil himself in those "Talmudic rituals", spare the drama and propagnda in your anti zionists sources, Jews prayed there, I said some did and said it was against the status que, if that's a cause for war so be it, me thinks its only fair.

Jews visit and sometimes pray there, if you see it as taking over than go to war and find out what taking over really means.

Nothing of what you wrote means taking over or turning Al aqsa Jewish, Jew visit and sometimes they pary there - against the agreement I agree, like I said if you consider an occational prayers as taking over then go to war for it, personally I see it as an excuse, you wont divide Jerusalem by talking.

 

You persuaded me in your 2nd part, go to war, you want Jerusalem to be Muslim again - its only throu war.

 

And where did I make that claim, do you have reading comprehension issues? And of course, they throw in the label to pretend they are clever...yawn....

 

If you are claiming you are not making that claim, the problem lies in your writing skills!

 

Seems Israel removed the metal detectors, by closing it down for reporters, and refusing to comment on it. It's just like they placed a gag order on the slaughtering Israeli at the embassy and refuse to comment on it. That's how you know they are in the dead wrong.

 

And that is why the Jew homeland placed a gag order on this, and refuses to let the guard be questioned. Yeah right. What a joke.

 

It's about Muslim terrorists... as usual.

 

No the problem lies in your inability to read and understand. I said PRO-arab muslim, I did not say ARAB MUSLIM.

Got it, or should I type it again for you? Apology accepted.

 

Is it? I thought it was Israelis who fired the shots.
Why would Muslims kill two Jordanian carpenters working at the Israeli Embassy?

 

Because they could..

 

There is no gag order, Jordan questioned him and released him, they have an official report on the investigation - go pest them Arabs for it,
An Arab stabbed an Israeli over metal detectors, his father already said his son is a shahid, case closed.

 

lol, how delicate and naive you get when terrorists die
Why would an Arab carpenter stab an Israeli during Muslim riots over a masque ? why are there wars in world

 

Why did Israelis killed Palestinian father of five, out for a walk in Tel Aviv?

Ah yes, he was running around with a butchers knive, trying to stab himself some Jews

 

Palestinians are the cause for violence in the Middle East.

 

The irrelevant tribe of the Middle East trying to stay relevant by periodically shocking the civilized world.

 

Muslims are the cause, with Palestinians being about 100% Muslim. They managed to drive out other religions, which is also going on in the rest of the Middle East.

Not bad for a religion which arrived well after the other main religions in the area. Terrorism pays.

 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-stabbed-at-embassy-in-jordan-attacker-shot-dead/

The incident occurred late Sunday afternoon, but was kept under gag order by the Israeli military censor
Jordanian officials were seeking to question him, and Israel was refusing to allow this, sparking a diplomatic crisis.

There most certainly was

 

The only people who do the driving people out in the ME, is ISIL and the Jews. I mean... the entire world screems at Israel to remove their ethnic cleansing civilians back across their border, but them Jews just go on and on. To than be offended that their victims refuse to roll over.

 

Alright, here is the answer to what happened:

Official Jordanian Account of Killings by Shin Bet Agent Dramatically Contradicts Israel’s
July 24, 2017 By Richard Silverstein

Jordan’s police released an account of the killings of two Jordanians by an Israeli Shin Bet agent, who was deputy chief of security for the Israeli embassy in Amman.
The official account contradicts in substantial ways the Israeli version, which has been the only account reported in the media for the past 36 hours.

Here is what actually happened:

A…special investigation team has found that there was a prior agreement between people working in carpentry to supply bedroom furniture for an apartment rented by an Israeli embassy employee, the statement indicated, adding that two people came to furnish the bedroom of the Israeli employee’s apartment inside the compound.

During the process, a dispute has erupted between one of the carpenters, who was the furniture shop owner’s son, and the Israeli diplomat. The two had a verbal argument as the Israeli diplomat claimed that there was a delay in completing the agreed upon work on time.

The altercation escalated to physical confrontation where the carpenter attacked and injured the Israeli diplomat who in turn shot the carpenter and the apartment’s owner…
The building’s doorman was present at the scene, the statement added, citing the testimony given by the other person who came with the carpenter.


Father of slain Jordanian mourns his son.

Read all here:
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/...n-bet-agent-dramatically-contradicts-israels/
and here:
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/...ler-two-jordanians-defusing-al-aqsa-standoff/
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At least now we know what happened. The Shin Bet agent probably feared for his life?

 

There was none when you wrote your post and Jordan already questioned him.

 

And Turkey (Kurds), Iran and KSA (Yemen), Egypt (MB), Syria (anyone with a beard), practiclly all Arab countries either did, do and probebly will be invovled in wars making ppl leave their homes.

 

Keep repeating the lie maybe you'll belive it yourself eventually.

 

Part 1

your just talking gibberrish. Try arguing actual points.

It isn't lefties, it is the whole world. You only believe it is lefties because Israel has become so extreme right.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/08/netanyahu-rabins-murderer/

and here we get to the crux of the matter. You are claiming East Jerusalem as Israel. You are claiming all of Jerusalem as Israeli and that is the crux of the issue. You are not really arguing whether Israel is taking over East Jerusalem and Al Asqa Compound. You are simply saying it is Israeli. I said later on that is where the difference lies. You are not arguing against what is said. You just believe it is right that this is so...and it has nothing to do with any 'left' it is the entire world except for neo Zionists and the Repubican Party of the US but the US itself still does and always has said East Jerusalem is part of the occupied West Bank. How you can say as reality something which everyone else in the world says is not is totally amazing and just shows how out of touch you are.

With some of the more serious issues concerning Al Aqsa here is both a video with an Israeli Jew and an article written by an Israeli Jew - yes, they are left because in Israel most of you now are extreme right and as I keep reading to not say the approved version results in an Israeli being called a traitor. Regardless of these people being left - you know those dastardly people who believe in Western liberal democracy and human rights, what they talk about are facts.

Here is the video



and here is the article they speak of in the video

Fight to the death for control over sacred site

Furthermore I read Bennett has arranged for even nursery children to be taught that the Al Asqa Compound is theirs though from the way you speak, I doubt there is much more brainwashing to be done. Again what you are calling only what 'leftist' thinks is what everyone in the world apart from you and the people who support you whether you are right or wrong say.

The fact remains they did.

ah!! thank you.

Nope, my argument is because I do not support supremacist ethnic nationalists, in fact religions ethnic nationalists, even worse. people who colonise other people's land's, ignore international law and do not see the humanity of people who do not belong to their tribe. The Palestinians are 'stuck in the 60's because you have had them prisoner since the 60's, did not honour your Oslo agreement and are taking over more and more of their Capital ignoring all International Law as you go and treating them as sub human to your tribe.

again stop bringing gibberish in. argue with issues which are raised.

Again you try to change things to your changing goal posts. There is massive change happening both is East Jerusalem and indeed in the Compound which in a few years if nothing changes you will have claimed as your own. You are near that now, just knowing it is not the right time.


Netanyhu is trying to get UNESCO destroyed because

http://www.archaeology.wiki/blog/2015/07/17/city-david-project-condemned-unesco/

What happened in Al Aqsa, that is the putting in of the metal detectors was just the final straw which has brought the Palestinians together again. Along with that is the reality that very recently your knesset passed a law that the Palestinians would not be allowed control of East Jerusalem without a two thirds majority in the Knesset voting for it. It is known this will not happen and as such is seen as your final declaration that there will be no Palestinian State. In addition settlement building has gone up 70% since Trump became President. When on top of that you now have a Minister talking about the possibility of ethnicly cleansing all the Palestinians from East Jerusalem, they feel you are trying to provoke them.

No when we began I thought you were arguing that the Palestinians were wrong. Now I know the only way in which you believe they are wrong is that you believe you have every right to try and get them out of East Jerusalem because you believe illegally that it belongs to you. Much stronger action should have been taken a long time ago. Allowing this has now resulted in the ME being destroyed.

fair enough. We obviously have not discussed this so I did not know that was your stance when I began speaking to you.

No it has always been as you call it problematic. Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem is illegal and not accepted by any of the world but yourself. You should know that.

I am saying that the issue is not just the Compound. Dr Mustaffa Bargouti in an interview with Real News on the 21st said that really the Palestinians would not give a rats arse if Jews sincerely prayed there. They understand prayer. It is not primarily about religion. It is about your attempt to destroy their history and reinvent East Jerusalem including the Compound as being Jewish for your final take over - and I guess their ethnic cleansing. Of course you already destroyed the Moroccan Quarter which had been there for 700 year.

Seriously here you get a bit near ISIS, except they just like to destroy the past, you like to destroy the Palestinian past and reinvent it as Jewish - removing all history of the Palestinians long time of living there and remembering that the majority of Palestinians by their genes appear to be descendants of the ancient Jews anyway - so basically you are just trying to destroy 1,300 years of history.

 

Part 2

It was a response to both your dishonouring of Oslo and the US Republicans encouragement of this by declaring Jerusalem the undivided Capital of Israel and claiming it would move its embassy there. The UK at the time was disgusted at the way the US was acting and determined to change it. Of course that all changed with 9/11. Arabs are just the same as all people. They do not like people colonising their land and ethnically cleansing them off it. In any case these crimes of Israel are crimes against humanity. The whole world was disgusted by 9/11. The US should have taken them to court. Instead they engaged in Clean Break to destroy the ME believing that would make Israel stronger. More terrorism. I do not agree with terrorism but it rarely happens where people have not been extremely badly treated or believe that that is so and where they do not have the ability to resolve it through conventional war. Even ISIS's creation by all accounts was political.

Yes it is about you claiming East Jerusalem when it is not yours. As far as the Compound is concerned I did a bit of reading yesterday. It appears that there has been a desire by some to get rid of Al Aqsa from the moment you entered. It appears you contented yourself with destroying the Moroccan quarter in the beginning. Always there is a big difference in the way Israel treats Palestinians from Israelis in acts of terrorism.

For example after the massacre in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron in 1994 by Baruch Goldstein. Here Israel rewarded the act of terrorism.

https://972mag.com/in-hebron-terror-begets-a-reign-of-terror/87631/

and of course the IDF always supports the Temple Mount Faithful and other extremists.

For instance

https://avoicefrompalestine.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/al-aqsa-massacre-08-october-1990/

It was condemned by UN Security Council resolutions 672 and 673

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_672


The Palestinians en mass are working in non violent ways

How the world missed a week of Palestinian civil disobedience

and

After years of oppression and fragmentation, Palestinians in the occupied city are remobilizing around a common political goal.

You are not looking at the situation correctly. East Jerusalem is not part of Israel. It is occupied territory, part of the West Bank and currently being illegally settled.

How gracious of you. However they are not part of Israel. That is where all your arguments are wrong. Settlement of East Jerusalem is illegal.

Actually you go a lot further than that. I do not think you would even allow them to become Jews.

You have mistaken power over a people for legality. These are occupied people sadly not treated as they legally ought to as occupied people.

and that absolutely is the reason why you disagree. You believe it is under Israeli control and everything belongs to Israel anyway whereas they say it is under the control of the Jordanians.



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