Should America withdraw military support for Ukraine?

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Should America withdraw military support for Ukraine?

  1. Yes

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    35.5%
  2. No

    20 vote(s)
    64.5%
  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Should America withdraw military support for Ukraine?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nope, Putin should remove his Military from Ukraine
     
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  3. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    IMO no. Russia needs to be taught it simply cannot keep annexing territory from other countries without penalty.

    If we dont stand up to Putin, he would continue to destablize Europe little by little. annexing more and more land.
     
  4. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I voted yes. I don’t see the point behind it. Europe should be the one providing all the support.
     
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    Do you believe that America has no interest in a stable Europe?
     
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  6. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think like a child, Europe needs to grow up and take care of itself. I'm an Isolationist.
     
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    I oppose just giving them money but I would be OK with a lend lease program.
     
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    I voted yes in part because I think we should worry about securing our own border before we go being concerned about the borders of foreign countries around the planet
     
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    No. Ukraine's allies should keep sending support, America is not the only one involved, despite what their individualism culture leads them to believe.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isolationist or toxic individualistic?
     
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    I oppose sending money and offensive arms to the corrupt Ukrainian govt. I fully support sending food, medicine and defensive arms for the citizens to defend themselves as they see fit. This is my position in Ukraine and all other embattled populations the world over. Not everyone will fight for their freedom, but we should be interested in giving them the chance.
     
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    Europe has the means to help itself. They should contribute more than we do and yet they do not even contribute the same.

    We should be using American money to save American lives. So many die every day from cancer, drug addiction, and homelessness.
     
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    Obviously you're making a statement, rather than asking a honest question. Until this current government takes care of the problems of protecting our sovereign borders aid to protecting that of other Nations should not be in consideration. Imo, it's tantamount to taking food off the table of our own children and giving it to beggars. Is that "toxic" or being a responsible parent?
     
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    And that would be perfectly fine if world events had no impact on America. But they do.
     
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    It is possible the Russia will ultimately hold what they went into this war controlling, but anything that holds Russia in check is money well-spent. If the death toll is high enough on their side, maybe the Russian oligarchs will choose more wisely about who their next leader is instead of going with the loudest ultra-nationalist thug they can find.
     
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    What would you classify as defensive arms? Any of them effective against tanks, artillery, and planes?
     
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    World events or more specifically wars have been going on in Europe and other foreign countries for centuries. If you recall WW I was intended to be the war that ended all wars. How long did that objective remain viable? These Nations will continue to have wars and we won't solve their problems by aiding them in their foolish agendas. No matter who controls Ukraine the government will want to trade with the United States. Even though Russia is the aggressor in the latest event we are still conducting business with them. If our leaders were really serious about punishing Russia for invading Ukraine then all trade and business arrangements with them should have immediately been stopped. Just a few years ago we were concerned about the corruption within Ukraine. Do you really think they cleaned up their house?
     
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    Why are you quoting media platitudes as if it holds any bearing on geopolitical politics? That’s silly.
    I don’t think we should arm any nations that are invading another, but I absolutely believe in helping a nation protect its sovereignty. I’m not really a fan of imperialism.
    As an isolationist, I would think you’d be in the same boat.
     
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    Your position is contradictory. The only way to "protect (a nation's) sovereignty" is through military intervention. That involves either arms or personnel (or both). Or do you think throwing blankets (as Obama did) in their direction is really effective in helping them protect their sovereignty?
     
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    No. I think weapons protect sovereignty.
     
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    Fine. Then were you referring to Russian when you said "I don’t think we should arm any nations that are invading another," I don't think anyone is suggesting that we supply arms to an invading nation so I assume you meant a nation being invaded.
     
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    That’s correct. Sorry if my post caused confusion.
     
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    Sure. Manpads, stingers and AT4s are all defensive weapons that are designed for precisely that.
     
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    Do you believe that individual citizens would be better at putting these weapons to use than a government that can facilitate training and logistics?
     
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    I believe the citizens have a better idea of precisely whose tanks ought to be rolling around their neighborhood. The small parts of Ukraine that want to be Russian should prolly be Russian. Might've helped avoid all this in the first place. A proper civil defense system would include the necessary training and logistics.
     
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