so you also consider male genital mutilation to be a war crime? - - - Updated - - - lol!!!! no. they don't do that. but they do suck the blood from the sliced baby penis, which is still pretty damn disgusting and should be a crime.
1. If Coptics Christians are heavily influenced by Arabs (AKA MUSLIM), then FGM should be heavily prevalent in the Arab world, specifically the Gulf region. But that's not the case, is it? Indeed, its mostly popular in Africa. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
It occurs frequently in many parts of the ME, as my links told you. MOD EDIT - Rule 3 I detest Islam because it is a horrible belief system. It has nothing to do with America or conservatives or a trend. It is a horrible ideology, fact. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
1. And yet FGM is mainly concentrated in Africa, among Christian and Muslim societies. Naturally, you want to focus on the Muslims, and give excuses for the non-Christians. The important thing though is that we both agree that Islam does not condone FGM. 2. I'm not PC at all; I say it like it is. For example, I see nothing wrong in calling the West decadent, debauched, and materialistic. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
Yes, Islam condones FGM, amongst other horrible practices. MOD EDIT - Rule 3 Islam is evil and hateful. It is oppressive to women, MOD EDIT - Rule 3
Great, let's see the verse that condones FGM. I've been waiting for 6 pages. All you have given me so far is: "Yer a darn lib'rul!" Why are Americans so anti-intellectual? MOD EDIT - Rule 3
I told you that I don't think it's specifically mentioned in the Qu'ran. However, Islamic imams who support it say that it is mentioned in the Hadith. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
And there are imams who say it isn't. Provide us with the relevant hadith please. Your first lesson is that Islam is not Catholicism, so the ruling of any imam does not have to be followed unless the evidence that backs up his ruling is clear-cut. Even in that case, one shouldn't follow the ruling just because the imam said so. So, where is the evidence? MOD EDIT - Rule 3
I'm sure the imams know what they're talking about more so than you do. It fits in perfectly with their ideology and their insecurity about women, that they would perform such a barbaric procedure on a little girl. Also, if you support Islam, then you support oppression of women, homosexuals, amongst others. Sorry, but that's just the non-PC truth. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
Again, there are imams who disagree with your viewpoint. Further, what part of "provide the hadith" is not going through MOD EDIT - Rule 3? If you fail to provide the evidence in the next post, MOD EDIT - Rule 3. Last chance. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
Does not matter for the legality of it. Benefits of routine infant male circumcision in developed world are questionable at best, too. You and I both know that even if there were no benefits to male circumcision, it would still be done and it would be legal. That is because majority of circumcisions are done either because of religions reasons or as a tradition. Not because of medical reasons. What matters is not benefits but whether there is harm.
NO, that would be a political nightmare. Circumcision is probably protected by constitutional due to it being a religious procedure. Also as a side note we need more laws that expand rather than limit our freedom. reva
I think female GM should be banned, without a doubt! Male circumsision does have bennies , I suppose!... Why it's done By Mayo Clinic Staff Circumcision is a religious or cultural ritual for many Jewish and Islamic families, as well as certain aboriginal tribes in Africa and Australia. Circumcision can also be a matter of family tradition, personal hygiene or preventive health care. Sometimes there's a medical need for circumcision, such as when the foreskin is too tight to be pulled back (retracted) over the glans. In other cases, particularly in certain parts of Africa, circumcision is recommended for older boys or men to reduce the risk of certain sexually transmitted infections. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. However, the AAP doesn't recommend routine circumcision for all male newborns. The AAP leaves the circumcision decision up to parents — and supports use of anesthetics for infants who have the procedure. Circumcision might have various health benefits, including: * Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. Washing beneath the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis is generally easy, however. * Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The overall risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on. * Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential. * Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis. * Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men
That is the case with only a small portion of the population. I don't think most people do it for religious purposes but do it for practical purposes, at least not in the "developed" world, as you stated. Now, if you had said in the Islamic world, then I would agree. And no, the benefits are not questionable. There are a few health benefits to male circumcision. NONE for female circumcision though. That is why you don't really hear about FGM in the developed world. It is mostly an Islamic practice from everything I've read. - - - Updated - - - I agree. With boys, it should be a personal decision of the parents since babies are not capable of decision making. FGM has absolutely no health benefits and is more related to oppression of women. - - - Updated - - - MOD EDIT - Rule 3
male genital mutilation may have some health benefits, but most are not performed due to any possible health benefits, but for purely cultural/religious reasons...which are related to reducing sexual pleasure.
I posted this yesterday but being new here it hasn't materialized. The foreskin can be retracted and worn in that position. It'll stay down. No need to circumcise. All the benefits of a circumcision without the scapel. Baby Dies of Herpes in Ritual Circumcision By Orthodox Jews New York City is investigating the death last September of a baby who contracted herpes after a "ritual circumcision with oral suction," in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish ceremony known in Hebrew as metzitzah b'peh. In a practice that takes place during a ceremony known as the bris, a circumcision practitioner, or mohel, removes the foreskin from the baby's penis, and with his mouth sucks the blood from the incision to cleanse the wound. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-d...l-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618
Not according to my reading, and Islam is very prevalent in Africa. That explains everything. If you notice, everywhere there is much Islam, there are big problems. EVERYWHERE. - - - Updated - - - A retracted foreskin is considered a medical problem and is apparently painful for men. It is called paraphimosis and can lead to many, many problems. ???? Why would you make such a bogus claim? - - - Updated - - - Not in America. In America, it is most often done for practical purposes. A lot of non-religious people have their male children circumcised.
fewer and fewer male babies in the USA are being circumcised. the higher percentages decades ago was due to pressure from very biased doctors with a non-medical agenda.
Sorry, but I think most men are circumcised here in America. And a lot who weren't end up getting the operation when they are older due to medical problems related to the foreskin. There are a variety of medical problems that occur in uncircumcised men.
Wow. You really don't know what you're talking about. I've worn mine that way for the last 55 yrs without a problem.
Paraphimosis is not just retracted foreskin, it is a forcibly retracted tight foreskin, in men with phimosis. Normal uncircumcised men can retract their foreskin just fine. There may be some benefits to circumcision but in reality these problems are quite rare and so the difference is miniscule in absolute numbers. Routinely chopping off sensitive and protective parts of a sexual organ just because it can lower your chance of issues from 2% to 1% is quite crazy when you think about it. In America, it is most often done because of tradition. Father is circumcised and he wants the son to look like him. It is considered "normal" so most people just conform. Any practical benefits of circumcision are pretty minimal.
Yes, they can retract it, but it isn't supposed to stay that way. That is when problems arise. Your claim that there aren't medical benefits are just bogus according to the AAP. I've already posted links. Perhaps you should go check them out. - - - Updated - - - Well, I'm not a man, so maybe you can. Don't know, but from what I've read, you are not supposed to keep it in the retracted position because it leads to problems.
