Should guns carry a yearly tax to pay for health care costs?

Actually it doesn't

http://www.livescience.com/27740-gun-laws-deaths-study.html

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-more-guns-less-crime-3-0/

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Actually it doesn't

http://www.livescience.com/27740-gun-laws-deaths-study.html

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-more-guns-less-crime-3-0/

 

I'll bet your a great cherry picker

Here, there can be no recommendation at all," Wintemute wrote. But he doesn't blame Fleegler and his colleagues, who did the research without any funding. The researchers "did well with the data available to them," but were limited by the years-long freeze in gun violence research enacted by Congress in the 1990s, which forbids the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) from funding research that could be used to promote gun control.
http://m.livescience.com/27740-gun-laws-deaths-study.html

 

6.64 per 100,000 lower is a difference of .00664 percent. I believe that proves that gun control does not work.

 

You are still spouting the same old debunked gun banner propaganda.

Once again.....

In your second link, the 2003 Stanford study that used "superior statistical models and extended the time frame" was addressed in the 2010 published 3rd edition of More Guns, Less Crime, in which Lott debunked the Stanford study and reran his study using even more data that the 2003 Stanford propaganda piece. All of Lotts results and methodology are provided in the 3rd edition - you should read it one day so you will know what you are talking about.

In this study (from your second link), http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jcrim/2015/803742/ they looked at 4 states but had to estimate the population in each county and applied the concealed permit data to the entire population, not just the 21-and over adult population, which they admit was wrong, and it now correlates permits and crime and the youth population - bad study.

And even if the study is correct - it shows concealed carry permits have no impact on total crime but a slight reduction in some crimes. But it does not show a negative result due to concealed permits. So at best concealed carry has minimal benefit and no downside. Gun banners lose again.

And that's the bottom line of all your references - you are not proving the benefit of gun control, or the harm of concealed carry or more guns in society. You are reduced to showing that guns in society have no positive or negative impact. Oops, gun banners lose again.

 

Absolutely no basis in fact for your statement.

 

Bower Birds tired old statistics were already debunked by the FBI and the Justice departments studies.
They don't want to hear anyone quote pro gun sources and they stay silent when you quote FBI statistics on crime.

 

And this quote means what?

There should be more research in this area - that is indisputable That there should never have been bullying tactics applied against the CDC - again indisputable. That the NRA applied those tactics to muzzle research that was showing they were wrong - darn tooting that is correct

And thank-you for bringing that point up

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Linky?????

See when debating one should back one's stance with actual research and facts - not imagined information

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Firearmsources.svg



By Chart created by User:Aude - Source of firearms possessed by Federal inmates, 1997, CC BY-SA 2.5, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=1414571

Now compare that to Australia



Where is the large area of obtained from friend or family - in fact there is a significant amount done through backyard manufacture - something that almost puts the owner at as much risk as the person they are aiming the gun at

 

If they didnt confiscated guns from law abiding citizens then unknown would be the largest followed by criminal.

 

And "not surrendered after port arthur" being the biggest slice, means that only the law abiding turned theirs in. The criminals kept their guns.

Way to go gun confiscation.

 

http://content.thirdway.org/publica...nforcement_Gap_-_Federal_Gun_Laws_Ignored.pdf

The information found within the report is abysmal. Out of tens to hundreds of thousands of offenses committed, there are almost no prosecutions taking place, despite prosecutors having wide leeway for doing such.

 

This has been tried with countless illicit items, and the results have always been abysmal failures.

 

What was that called...oh yeah...the war on Drugs...same path trafficking guns...

 

The title of this thread alone was enough to know where this thread was going.

 

Link to the FBI crime report; "The Uniform Crime Report" source;
The Justice Department: subsection Federal Bureau of Investigation.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

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Variables Affecting Crime
Each year when Crime in the United States is published, many entities—news media, tourism agencies, and other groups with an interest in crime in our Nation—use reported figures to compile rankings of cities and counties. These rankings, however, are merely a quick choice made by the data user; they provide no insight into the many variables that mold the crime in a particular town, city, county, state, region, or other jurisdiction. Consequently, these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents.

Consider other characteristics of a jurisdiction
To assess criminality and law enforcement’s response from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, one must consider many variables, some of which, while having significant impact on crime, are not readily measurable or applicable pervasively among all locales. Geographic and demographic factors specific to each jurisdiction must be considered and applied if one is going to make an accurate and complete assessment of crime in that jurisdiction. Several sources of information are available that may assist the responsible researcher in exploring the many variables that affect crime in a particular locale. The U.S. Census Bureau data, for example, can be used to better understand the makeup of a locale’s population. The transience of the population, its racial and ethnic makeup, its composition by age and gender, educational levels, and prevalent family structures are all key factors in assessing and comprehending the crime issue.

Local chambers of commerce, government agencies, planning offices, or similar entities provide information regarding the economic and cultural makeup of cities and counties. Understanding a jurisdiction’s industrial/economic base; its dependence upon neighboring jurisdictions; its transportation system; its economic dependence on nonresidents (such as tourists and convention attendees); its proximity to military installations, correctional facilities, etc., all contribute to accurately gauging and interpreting the crime known to and reported by law enforcement.

The strength (personnel and other resources) and the aggressiveness of a jurisdiction’s law enforcement agency are also key factors in understanding the nature and extent of crime occurring in that area.

Although information pertaining to the number of sworn and civilian employees can be found in this publication, it cannot be used alone as an assessment of the emphasis that a community places on enforcing the law. For example, one city may report more crime than a comparable one, not because there is more crime, but rather because its law enforcement agency, through proactive efforts, identifies more offenses.

Attitudes of the citizens toward crime and their crime reporting practices, especially concerning minor offenses, also have an impact on the volume of crimes known to police.

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It is incumbent upon all data users to become as well educated as possible about how to understand and quantify the nature and extent of crime in the United States and in any of the more than 18,000 jurisdictions represented by law enforcement contributors to the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program.

Valid assessments are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various unique conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction.

Historically, the causes and origins of crime have been the subjects of investigation by many disciplines. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place are:

Population density and degree of urbanization.
Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration.
Stability of the population with respect to residents’ mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors.
Modes of transportation and highway system.
Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability.

Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.
Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness.
Climate.

Effective strength of law enforcement agencies.
Administrative and investigative emphases of law enforcement.
Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational).
Citizens’ attitudes toward crime.
Crime reporting practices of the citizenry.

Crime in the United States provides a nationwide view of crime based on statistics contributed by local, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies. Population size and student enrollment are the only correlates of crime presented in this publication. Although many of the listed factors equally affect the crime of a particular area, the UCR Program makes no attempt to relate them to the data presented.

The data user is, therefore, cautioned against comparing statistical data of individual reporting units from cities, counties, metropolitan areas, states, or colleges or universities solely on the basis of their population coverage or student enrollment. Until data users examine all the variables that affect crime in a town, city, county, state, region, or other jurisdiction, they can make no meaningful comparisons. "


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Wowsers ! no mention of availability of firearms or any of the tired old gun control arguements, don't believe NRA or any pro gun organizations, however, this is an unimpeachable information source.....

 

In 1000 words or less, how does any of this prove your claim?

 

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