Should people have a right to welfare?

The legislature of Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark had decades of experience in Welfare State. The Welfare Amendment would declare that every citizen has an inalienable right to

-- Housing -- at least a room in a dormitory
-- Reasonable food -- including Kosher and Halal and Christian Orthodox
-- Reasonable medical care including psychological therapy
-- Personal spending money of $300/month

Of course if someone still commits a crime they should be jailed, but in much better conditions then in modern USA.

 

I agree to the first 3, but not personal spending money.

Also I don't think jail should be a nice place as there must a strong determent for those already willing to harm others for personal gain.

 

It's not a Right, so I put somewhat. A more appropriate question would be. Should we let people starve who cannot support themselves? Or should we treat people who are injured or sick, who cannot afford treatment? My answer to both of these questions is an emphatic YES.

 

Well, since we here in the US believe in the whole, Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness Thing, I believe well regulated programs, regulating well, the recipients of the benefits, - primarily at the State level, - are a legitimate means to accomplish this.


Essentially what we have, only completely gutted, & reformed, with as I said, States being responsible for their own residents.

 

What you left out is that they pay 50% in taxes and the EU has massive unemployment and a much lower economic output per person. Why do you have a right to someone else's money? What about in the case where you are lazy or don't try to make something out of yourself? How does it benefit an economy to benefit people for not working and tax people who work at 50%?

 

This suggests to me that Americans are working for peanuts out of desperation, and wealth distribution is the real issue when looking at GDP per capita.

 

Yeah of course welfare support is essential. I always scratch my head when people look at the little picture(self) and aren't inclined to see the big picture which includes(self). Crime is the standout. If people are sufficiently taken care of then your car will likely be where you parked it in the morning and able to jog home with shoes on your feet.

Welfare is actually economic stimulus. These monies are going to go to private businesses at the end of the day, which will essentially create more employment.
What did government do during economic downturn? Gave money to the 1%ers on the wealth distribution ladder. That money wasn't going to filter down.

In saying this, able bodied people should be obliged to undertake community service of sorts in exchange for support.

 

How many hours of community service do you think should be worked in exchange for the government funded support?

 

Welfare Payment = Job specific Pay rate x hours.

 

I've been saying this for a while.

Even the CCC from the GD era would work out great..

It could be part of a New make america great Deal

 

As long as someone has the right to extort someone else in a Capitalist society of course people have the right to welfare. By definition welfare means having the right to live fairly-well in a society that has proven more than capable of providing such service.

 

Welfare should be cut to absolute minimum and only for those that are disabled and cannot take care of themselves..

If you can pass a fitness physical, then you don't need welfare and can either go dig ditches or ****ing starve if you are too lazy..
Don't need any spending money, tell them they can find cardboard boxes behind big lots..
Deport immigrants that cant make it, a free ride back is plenty of welfare..
What about the kids? They can get fed at schools and if their parents won't provide adequate housing then take them. Their should be a criminal penalty for repeatedly spawning children you cannot support..

All this welfare is BS and destroying our country, making people complacently lazy and sucking our economy dry.. Dragging along a bunch of mooches..

Don't like it? Then hope Canada will take you..

The problem is we should never have got caught up in this mess in the first place..

 

Ah yes, exactly. There are so many side benefits even for the people who strongly feel that their money is theirs. I'm not Buddhist or spiritual but the "we are nothing without others" quote says it all for me in a pragmatic sense.

 

That's the key! This policy makes sense if all beneficiaries are white ethnic Finish/Swedish/etc. And it is suisidal if we are talking about presumably non-white immigrants. Because non-white immigrants have very little expectations and ambitions in life, their only ambition is to crap as much lumpens as the welfare system will let them. Many of them give birth to children merely to collect welfare from the state, because every child means income.

 

I see great benefit to the entire country, especially with technology, & private sector partnership today, in having this happen.

Surely much more beneficial than mandatory military service as some trumpet.

Especially domestically.

 

I would like to see something along these lines happen in the US of A...soon as possible.

EVERYONE should be guaranteed "sufficient"...which would include all the things you mentioned.

Unfortunately, we Americans haven't grown up enough to even guarantee healthcare.

We'll get there, though. Once the barbarians have had their way...and shown their shallow followers just what a pig sty they can make of this nation.

 

Welfare (a safety net) also takes care of those who cannot work.

 

I am a handicapped veteran, I have a BTK amputation. I say this because I work 2 jobs, ride a bicycle to work, and will never take welfare.
If you seem to think some of these people can't work, then you are fooling yourself. If Stephen Hawking can work, then anyone can. If you can play video games then you can work.
As for health care, a hospital cannot refuse services for lack of insurance or ability to pay. That is law.
So let's get off this victim train and force people to work.
Also, government is the worst at managing anything, I definitely do not want them in charge of my health-care.

 

Big stink today about VA hospital in DC......

 

Yeah I don't trust the VA...Clinton tried to get everyone to take PTSD drugs which can be used to deny firearms ownership.

 

I've said it before and I will say it again, welfare needs to come with mandatory drug testing and mandatory vocational training.

 

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I have observed that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” - Ben Franklin

 

If someone else is forced to pay for it, it cannot be a right.

 

There are people that can not work due to physical of mental handicap and while Steven Hawking can work I believe he is an exception due to his brain size. These people should be supported.

For people that do not fit into this category they should be expected to work for their benefits or attend school. Whether that's picking up trash for the city, state, or federal, planting trees......something. When the school buses get all of the kids dropped off at school, they should come back around for the parents.

The problem is......what happens if they don't work?

 

No workee, no moneyee.