Should the elderly be hospitalized if they have corona?

Of course there is.

Because hospital directors in Italy have made that call individually, or because Italy has implemented your brainless idea and rammed it down all their throats?

The reality is that you're talking outa both sides of your mouth.

Even granting the comical idea that he has any credibility, does it somehow escape your notice that he speaks for one state out of fifty? Beyond that, I doubt the claim applies much outside of NYC anyway.

I'm not gonna put them anywhere, because I don't run a hospital. You're welcome.

 

Because they are intelligent.

 

Hopefully you don't run anything.

 

All the more reason to scrutinize elderly people with emphysema seeking treatment for Covid-19.

 

Then seeing Italian physicians have brains enough to figure out triage, is it not a shame their American counterparts are too stupid to handle it without an edict from a medical supergenius like you?

 

Aw shucks, I'm just a regular old genius, not a super genius.

 

You're actually making my point for me. That's all the more reason not to admit them into a crowded hospital during a pandemic.

Give treatment priority to the young.

 

How about a fifty year old man with mild COPD who is supporting three of his children in high school?

 

They have lived long enough so as to not receive the same hospitalization priority, during an infectious disease pandemic and bed crisis, as children. Not "too long."

Don't be dishonest! Be honest.

Like me.

 

He's in. I said naught about 50 somethings.

80 year old grandpa is not supporting three children in high school, and if there is a shortage of beds in a pandemic, he can go home. Cost-benefit analysis.

 

Why do people go to supermax prisons?

 

I just want to know where you draw the line. At 80? Cost-benefit is a tricky thing. An 80 year old who lived an upstanding life and who can share his wisdom with his children and neighbors might be of more benefit than a fourteen year old drug dealer.

 

I don't draw the line anywhere. 80 y.o. with underlying serious conditions or history seems reasonable to me, but I only want the hospital admins to have the discretion to prioritize whom they feel has the best chance of survival. An 80 year old does not have the same chance as your 50 year old father.

When we aren't in crisis, this is all irrelevant, but they can draw the line at 125 if they really want to. In a pandemic with kids in line for a bed, I can't understand that.

 

I know it's tricky. And yes, judgment calls have to be made. I want everyone treated in normal circumstances, of course.

In a pandemic, I would hold hospitals harmless and let them make the call where there is a shortage of docs, ERs, ICU beds,ventilators, etc.

Who else can make the call? You? Me? Yguy? Adam Schiff?

There's no time to write a memo to Washington in an emergency, and I don't want bureaucrats doing any back seat driving anyway.

Thank you at least for not accusing me of calling for Euthanasia (the capital of Uzbekistan. )

 

Congratulations on hiding it well, I guess.

 

Dont count 80 yr old grandpa out yet. Cuomo got the ok to use the empty beds on Comfort Navy Ship.

I heard there is a point system used for times when doctors have to make a choice.

 

Did you know that personal insults are prohibited here? Argue the merits or get out of the thread:

Here's the question: should hospitals enjoy discretion to deny admission of elderly corona patients? I say yes, and I gave my reasons (it allow maximization for sources to save the young). Note that the question is not, "Should hospitals kill old people?"

 

I have no doubt that these choices are already being made in US hospitals. The hospital staff will be making them and not the average man on the street and that seems to be a good thing for older Americans.

 

So go whine to the mods.

I shall be happy to, the minute I bloody well feel like it.

Had that been the question posed in the OP, I might never have been in this thread to begin with.

 

That is really cold. Old people don't choose to get sick. Hospital staff people choose to work there.

 

Indeed, being Autistic, I see Social Darwinism as Evil. All Humans have a Right to Life.

 

Sadly, many people believe that people who are very old or disabled have less Right to Life then ``productive" people. In USA there are 40 million people with Mental Disability.

 

This discussion comes up when there is a health scare and young people are always afraid some old person is gonna get their share. That isn't how it works anywhere, when the system is overburdened triage always comes into play. When it does I am sure there are protocols to guide physicians and also to protect them from playing God. They do what has to be done according to guidelines. When the system is not over stressed then everyone should get the best care. Those of us who are most vulnerable should get early attention to limit the damage and give them the best chance possible for them.

 

A right to life isn’t the same as a right to a hospital bed.

 

I think it is really cold to worsen pandemics unnecessarily. I don't call for anyone to be exterminated. Lots of people recover at home. If there is a