Since so many eyewitnesses heard boms/explosions, why would the NIST be so adament...

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Challenged but not proved.
     
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    None of the affidavits have been proven to be true, none are supported by evidence. The affidavits are the claims and the burden of proof always rests with the claimant(s).
     
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    I proved you wrong.

    I know you hate it but it happens every time
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, we have the binary choice here--on a case by case basis and collectively, the affidavits are either true or false.

    The statistical analyses I've seen, the mathematical analyses, seem quite persuasive.

    That the MSM and government refuse to talk about it has the same sort of meaning that Berman's lip service regarding the Lawyer's Petition has.
     
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    There have been a few, well-publicised cases, such as in the 2018 North Carolina primary, which was re-run after a consultant for the Republican candidate tampered with voting papers.

    New York, nearly 100,000 ballots were resent to voters after some names and addresses were printed incorrectly.

    Wisconsin, mail that included some absentee ballots was found in a ditch near the town of Greenville. How this happened remains unclear, despite investigation. The White House alleged fraud.

    Pennsylvania, nine discarded military ballots were discovered. Seven of them, according to the US Department for Justice, "were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump".

    New Jersey, a mail carrier was charged after dumping hundreds of items of post in a dumpster, including almost 100 election ballots. Once found, the mail was sent on to its intended recipients.

    About 50,000 voters did receive the wrong ballot in the post, in Franklin County, Ohio, in early October.

    And the local elections board said everyone affected was sent the correct voter slip, with safeguards in place to ensure no-one voted twice.

    But there is no evidence this was done fraudulently.

    The board said the ballot error had been a "serious mistake".

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

    A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States

    The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome — or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. This database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.


    1,308 Proven instances of voter fraud

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    As I said the process is insecure, and we know for a fact vote fraud take place all the time, just because trump couldnt prove it does not mean it did not happen.

    Even murders go unresolved, the person is still dead despite the inability to catch the perp and prove it in court.

    We need a unified secure process for our voting system, its easy to devise a fool proof voting system, we do not have anything remotely close to that now and will never get it, especially when people are more concerned with which candidate got in than the process itself, it will forever be brushed under the table as merely sour grapes by the loser.

    If anyone should know, it should be you, its all about plausible deniability through the use and acceptance of defective processes that allows them to get away with this ****. Like NIST.

    Next time the person you hate will get in!

    .garbage in garbage out, you get what you pay for.
     
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    I came across this info while browsing on this page...
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_911.htm

    ...which I'd found here.
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_nwo86.htm


    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/devvision/devvision02.htm
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    Many surviving emergency personnel who experienced the 911 event up close and personal, in their face, made verbal and written records immediately following their experience.

    Most of these were censored heavily by the officials above them, indicating complicity, premeditation, and more. These oral histories tend to indicate, over and over, a controlled demolition, versus an act of overt terrorism by Islam. No doubt that is why they have remained hidden and unreported by the fascist media here.

    Below the reader will find several pertinent and interesting excerpts from the oral histories provided by 503 firefighters, law enforcement, and medical workers on 911. Although these documents were recorded by the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) at the end of 2001, they were not publicly released until August 12, 2005, and that is because the city of New York would not release them until it was forced to. (20)

    Early in 2002, the New York Times requested copies of these histories under the freedom of information act, but the administration of Mayor Michael Bloomberg refused. So the Times, along with several families of 9/11 victims, filed suit. After an arduous and time consuming process the city was finally ordered by the New York Court of Appeals to release the records (with some exceptions and redactions allowed).


    The Times then made these oral histories publicly available.

    "I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?"
    --Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

    "It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."
    --Paramedic Daniel Rivera

    Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, after entering the north tower lobby and seeing elevator doors completely blown out and people being hit with debris, asked himself,

    "how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above?"

    After he reached the 24th floor, he and another fireman,

    "heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb [and] knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator."

    After they pried themselves out of the elevator,

    "another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later...[and] I'm thinking, Oh My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!'"

    Multiple explosions were also reported by Teresa Veliz, who worked for a software development company in the north tower.

    She was on the 47th floor, she reported, when suddenly,

    "the whole building shook...[Shortly thereafter] the building shook again, this time even more violently."

    Then, while Veliz was making her way downstairs and outside:

    "There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons...There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

    Steve Evans, a New York-based correspondent for the BBC, said:

    "I was at the base of the second tower...that was hit...There was an explosion...The base of the building shook...Then there was a series of explosions."

    Sue Keane, an officer in the New Jersey Fire Police Department who was previously a sergeant in the U.S. Army, said in her account of the onset of the collapse of the south tower:

    "It sounded like bombs going off. That's when the explosions happened...I knew something was going to happen... It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive explosion."

    Then, discussing her experiences during the collapse of the north tower, she said:

    "[There was] another explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the stairs...I can't tell you how many times I got banged around. Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me... There was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out onto the street."

    Lieutenant James Walsh said:

    "The [north tower] didn't fall the way you would think tall buildings would fall. Pretty much it looked like it imploded on itself."

    Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said:

    "I thought... before...number 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes... Lieutenant Evangelista...asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I...saw a flash flash flash...[at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."

    Captain Karin Deshore said:

    "Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode.

    The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."

    Firefighter Richard Banaciski, speaking of the south tower said:

    "[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."

    Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick said:

    "We looked up at the [south tower]... All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up...It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building...My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."

    Captain Jay Swithers said:

    "I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion."

    Firefighter James Curran said:

    "When I got underneath the north bridge I looked back and...I heard like every floor went chu-chu-chu. Looked back and from the pressure everything was getting blown out of the floors before it actually collapsed."

    Battalion Chief Brian Dixon said:

    "I was... hearing a noise and looking up... [T]he lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because... everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out."

    Firefighter Stephen Viola said:

    "You heard like loud booms...and then we got covered with rubble and dust, and I thought we'd actually fallen through the floor...because it was so dark you couldn't see anything."

    Paramedic Louis Cook said that after the debris started falling,

    "everything went black" and "you couldn't breathe because [of] all the dust. There was just an incredible amount of dust and smoke."

    He then found that there was,

    "without exaggerating, a foot and a half of dust on [his] car."

    Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio, speaking of the collapse of the south tower, said:

    "It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion."

    Firefighter Kenneth Rogers said:

    "[T]here was an explosion in the south tower...I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing."

    Firefighter Christopher Fenyo, describing events that occurred after the first collapse, said:

    "At that point, a debate began to rage because...many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade, and officers were gathering companies together and the officers were debating whether or not to go immediately back in or to see what was going to happen with 1 World Trade at that point. The debate ended pretty quickly because 1 World Trade came down."

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    The Triumph of the Official Narrative: How the TV Networks Hid the Twin Towers’ Explosive Demolition on 9/11

    This article is the second installment of a two-part research project we began in July 2020 with the article “How 36 Reporters Brought Us the Twin Towers’ Explosive Demolition on 9/11.”

    In that article, our goal was to determine the prevalence, among television reporters on 9/11, of the hypothesis that explosions had brought down the Twin Towers. Through careful review of approximately 70 hours of news coverage on 11 different channels, we found that the explosion hypothesis was not only common among reporters but was, in fact, the dominant hypothesis.

    Our second question, which we set aside for the present article, was to determine how, despite its prevalence, the explosion hypothesis was supplanted by the hypothesis of fire-induced collapse.

    In this article, we shall concentrate not on reporters in the field, as in Part 1, but on the news anchors and their guests who were tasked with discovering and making sense of what was happening. As we trace the supplanting of the explosion hypothesis with the fire-induced collapse hypothesis, we witness the great shift toward what quickly became the Official Narrative.

    We do not see our task as trying to discover whether the Official Narrative of 9/11 is true or false. In the 21 years since the attacks took place, it has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, we believe, that the Official Narrative is false.

    While we support and participate in the further accumulation of evidence for this position, as well as the presentation of this evidence to the public, we believe it is also important to look into how the triumph of the Official Narrative was accomplished. If we are able to discover this, we will greatly advance our understanding of the psychological operation conducted on September 11, 2001 — and, thus, our understanding of how other psychological operations are perpetrated on the public.


    Read the rest ...

    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...-the-twin-towers-explosive-demolition-on-9-11
     
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