Six Oath Keepers convicted in connection with January 6 US Capitol riot

See that so-called intent is implied(and accepted) by the prosecution. it was never implied by the witnesses(or realistically possible given what they were doing, but that's neither here nor there.). That's another reason it's a political trial, the defense claims were rejected out of hand(okay, I guess, they can say they were pretending to listen.) despite there being way more evidence of the event being spontaneous than that of a calculated plan. This was even openly admitted by the FBI itself in its investigation

(Again, the seditious conspiracy charges only came afterward, when Liberals noticed that conservatives were making that distinction. What else is that, but political?)

@mdrobster And so in contrary, not only have I NOT been making excuses, I am the only one who has looked at all of the evidence realistically(including the worst of actions by Rhodes, Kelly and others.) and it's clear that alot of their words were hyperbole. The fact that they left the weapons in Virginia(noting Washington's strict gun laws) is itself a sign that if they were truly carrying out an insurrectionist plot, such restrictions wouldn't matter to them.

There's a distinct difference between a riot and a seditious conspiracy. There's a difference in handing out a merited punishment, and having a soviet-style political trial for its intended purpose.

And just like in the Soviet gulags, the fact that it is a political trial doesn't matter. The Will of the State matters. So in such a political state, it is possible to claim I am making excuses to 'justify atrocities'. It's possible to celebrate the political verdicts for what they are(the State requires that you do so.)
but as an American, I wholeheartedly reject politics in the court. Unlike those who forgot "who we are"(to use their words), I will never condone a politically reached result, or to attempt to excuse such politics within the court.

Judges should not be making remarks about cases not on their docket. They should not be making remarks on people who hadn't yet been charged with the offenses they claim to have made. Again, such is a violation on the presumption of innocence and charges the would-be defendant in the court of public opinion.

This event, has been our dive into Sovietism. And one can only hope and pray it stops here.

 

Anyone that crossed the outer barriers onto Capitol grounds were trespassing and left “peaceful” behind.

 

You have done nothing but make excuses. !!!!

 

Oath Keepers got what they deserve. That's a fact and we should all know it.

 

i've never excused a single thing, but just like the judge/jury, what matters is in your heart, not so much mine. You'll never be able to figure out my meas rea, the best you can do is assume it and unfortunately I can't prove otherwise to you.

A man leading a horse to drink water, but the horse doesn't drink it.

 

You have been using petty semantics to rationalize MAGA, let alone buying into all those stupid conspiracies.

 

So much for that being The People's House. Eh?...lol

 

It’s the Capitol building of the United States. It’s often closed to the public. When it’s closed to the public, no matter what you call it.

It was closed to the public January 6th 2021. Eh!

 

The United States being a government of the people, by the people and of the people. That building belongs to the people. It isn't a ****ing government palace...lol

 

All public buildings have hours of operation and days when they are closed for business, so that our elected leaders can do their work. OUR Capitol is no different … it’s not a laughing matter.

 

There are no conspiracies, unless the DOJ is now going to claim that its own release of the court documents is a conspiracy now? That, actually wouldn't surprise me at all. Nor have I used 'petty semantics'. In fact, to take the words that were used during the Kavanaugh debacle: "my truth". I read the exact same evidence, to the exact same letter and I even quoted it.

The difference is, is that the prosecution side could not show proof of this elaborate scheme, the whole testimony essentially boils down "What were you there for, if not that?" And then, if you read their own statements, they find it 'implausible' or 'unlikely', which in itself, renders testimony useless.

Seriously, what was the point of this mock trial if the defendants words weren't going to be taken seriously? It was for a political show. The DOJ pursued these charges as necessary to promote the public narrative. The judges equally felt compelled to agree.

It's just as bad as what happened on the 6th. The corruption of a court room is no less tragic, than a riot at the capitol.

 

The apologist bullshit coming from maga about their attempted insurrection and trump's sedition and treason reminds me of those scared people who whistle past the graveyard.
They know trump did a uniquely un-American and treasonous thing trying to subvert an election to keep himself in power, and they have been doubling down on his big lie ever since just to save face and avoid personal responsibility.
Let's hope that the wheels of justice grind that disgusting orange maggot into the dirt for what he has done to our country.

 

No such thing occurred on that day. What has quickly developed, has become a trial and prosecution to establish what you've put forward as what happened on that day, and then we know the footage of what happened on that day. A riot occurred, there were several breakthroughs into the capitol, before being dispelled within a 3 hour time period. These facts are universally collaborated, even by the prosecution itself.

Where the prosecution and indeed the court has created a new fable is this mythical 'plot to subvert' democracy, or the intention of disrupting the proceedings(it may have ultimately resulted in its disruption, but that's not to say it was the intent. Many people entered the capitol, not intending anything really.)

It has often used texts, attempted to interpret their meaning and when the defendants gave their own interpretations(of their own texts, mind you), said interpretations were not believed.

A gavel is not an official record keeper, despite the attempt to use it as such. We can tell with our own eyes and our own hearts what happened. To me, a criminal riot emerged and was brought down. But it had no elements of 'overthrowing the government', and no collaboration between the then-Trump Administration, and those who rioted could be seen.

Everything else, has been pure propaganda, and yes, a political trial to assert that propaganda as a 'historic truth'.

 

No conspiracies, so states the poster that claims 1/6 is a political hoax and even bought into the rigged election.

 

I think it’s shameful that Americans are willing to pander to such a deplorable character as trump.

 

The actions by those groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were uncalled for and totally wrong. It shows me that Trump could not accept defeat when the majority of voters made the point and had spoken on who they wanted. When I mean the majority, I mean people of all races and creeds and all walks of life. In the USA when all minorities come together, they make a majority and that means everybody.

 

Where did you pull that doozy from?

'Leader of Oath Keepers and Oath Keepers Member Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy and Other Charges Related to U.S. Capitol Breach'

snip:

"According to the government’s evidence, the Oath Keepers are a large but loosely organized collection of individuals, some of whom are associated with militias. Following the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election, Rhodes, Meggs, and others began plotting to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power. Beginning in late December 2020, via encrypted and private communications applications, Rhodes, Meggs, Harrelson, Watkins, Caldwell, and others coordinated and planned to travel to Washington, D.C., on or around Jan. 6, 2021, the date of the certification of the electoral college vote.

The defendants also, collectively, employed a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder, and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with each other and others.

On Jan. 6, 2021, a large crowd began to gather outside the Capitol perimeter as the Joint Session of Congress got under way at 1 p.m. Crowd members eventually forced their way through, up, and over U.S. Capitol Police barricades and advanced to the building’s exterior façade. Shortly after 2 p.m., crowd members forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, ramming open doors, and assaulting Capitol police and other law enforcement officers. At about this time, according to the government’s evidence, Rhodes entered the restricted area of the Capitol grounds and directed his followers to meet him at the Capitol.

At approximately 2:30 p.m., according to the government’s evidence, Meggs, Harrelson, and Watkins, along with other Oath Keepers and affiliates – many wearing paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo, and insignia – marched in a “stack” formation up the east steps of the Capitol, joined a mob, and made their way into the Capitol. Rhodes and Caldwell remained outside the Capitol, where they coordinated activities.

snip:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/lead...r-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other'

 

Alot of this was the hyperbole of the prosecution. In reality, you cannot be 'loosely organized' while at the same time standing accused of organizing some plot to oppose the transition of power. As the defense pointed out in vain(and just because it was in vain, doesn't mean it didn't happen) there were no such elaborations on a seditious coup or conspiracy for the purpose of opposing the transition of power.

That's just what the prosecution can claim after the fact.(And at that, for 3 hours.). Calling it a seditious conspiracy was and is a stretch. No matter how many people are sentenced for such. I will never accept it. It was a criminal riot, not a seditious conspiracy.

 

In reality you can organize things with some people within a organization that is as a whole loosely organized.

Their encrypted messages got hacked by the government and used against them in court.

It's right there to be read in what you are responding to. And yet it's all still not good enough. This does make it look like no matter what, you just won't be condemning fascists. Your name here also gives that hint.

 

Thank you.
I don't know why I even bother anymore.

 

Those kind of posters are just to be mocked, respectfully.

 

I won't be condemning something that never happened. Not in the text messages(you do know, those were shown as part of the evidence) and not in the actual happenings on the ground. It's never good enough for the claim that they made. And it's a claim the prosecution, judge and jury agreed with.

But their agreement doesn't make it true. It's just what they want to believe is true and acted according to 'their truth'. And hurray for them.

See, i can mock them just as well, and with less effort.

 

You disputed they planned things in a loosely organization. And when shown they did plan something, you moved the goalpost of petty and changed it that they did not follow it to the letter.... as if it matters. Point stands: they planed it. Nobody cares if they ended up being able to follow it to the letter or winging it or something in between.

It was beyond a reasonable doubt. lol


And you're such a fanatic bias that your opinion on that doesn't matter. Running a name like that, would not land you a spot on the jury. And here you are thinking your opinion should matter. Now that's funny.

 

What makes you think I'd waste MY time being on a jury duty? No, seriously, I'd sooner give the jury instructions to somebody else and have them do it instead. The pressure of being a juror, to having to deal with people such as yourself. I don't find it a civic duty, for that matter as we can see here the judicial system is greatly flawed where, if the facts of the case don't matter(or don't truly fit the specific charge without presuming that is what the defendant was going to do, even if the defendant claims otherwise.) then what are we doing here?

It was beyond 'their' reasonable doubt. Their judgment call. But that doesn't make it what happened(we can argue it's a form of egotism to determine that a jury group can ascertain the 'truth', as though the truth is in question(in a system that doesn't even ask the questions, or if it doesn't like the answers, it ignores them!)

Laughable, and absurd. Of course, humans have yet to come up with a better 'system', but it's a very laughable system.

 

You're totally not addressing that they indeed planned it, and the evidence obtained from their own messages got presented in court. lol