Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

Good plan.

 

Choice. You gotta love choice.

 

Need I remind you that your question was "
You are on a respirator given little chance of living and are offered the option of taking this drug,
A. Yes
B. No

 

What part of that link was validated research?

Do not confuse poor journalism with good science

Not discussing this with you anymore as you are disrespecting those people trying thier best to save lives and putting their own lives at risk

 

Good choice. The patient's choice. Now it's not even an issue anymore.

 

The point is there isn’t validated research. That is the point you fail to recognize.

You are disrespectful of medical professionals using chloroquine with success. The hypocrisy of many on this viral pandemic is astounding. It’s becoming unbelievable.

You can hide from those who point out truth, but you cannot hide from the truth. The fact you cannot back up any of your claims makes discussion with you or taking your opinions on C19 pointless. Don’t worry, I don’t need your input to continue pointing out your errors.

 

No I am not being disrespectful

I am a health professional myself and like my colleagues have recently updated my will just in case.

What I am trying to do is teach you how to read research and what it means

Instead of listening you are trying (and failing) to play *gotcha”.

Honestly I am too tired to continue discussing this with people who not only do not want to learn but are taking what appears to be a perverse pleasure out of putting down the health profession
Resources linking to COVID research
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...earch-drug-trials-and-pathophysiology.571138/

You missed an opportunity to learn

Good-bye

 

LOL You've ran away from the question you asked twice!

 

It must have been someone else who delineated the question into a multiple choice, A or B form, but I go along with that 200%.

 

All are tools in a doctors toolbox. Fact is, Trump was right.

 

If you want to rant about "stupidity" without knowing a single thing on the topic then by all means.. Go for it. Bark at the moon if you want.. I wish more Progressives would come out like you are.. Cheer them on!

 

I am willing to learn from anyone posting accurate information. You do not always post factual information. I’ve used valid research to expose your errors. I’ve linked to it. You are the one unwilling to learn. You can not point to ONE thing I’ve posted that is factually incorrect.

To reiterate. I have the utmost respect for health professionals. Many of my friends are physicians and nurses and PA’s. I was educated right along side them. Took the same classes, tutored a few of them in biology. I respect the work you are doing. I respect military personnel for doing a job I was unwilling to do. I respect healthcare professionals because they are doing an essential job I was unwilling to do. My pointing out the FACT we use treatments such as intubation without underlying data and studies in no way disrespects anyone. We simply did the best we could with vents based on historical data. We were wrong. We move on. I’m just pointing out a fact in the hope someone can open their mind to using other treatments without years of formal research.

Stay safe and well. I mean that. My argument with you is not personal, it’s merely a result of my desire factual information is presented on this issue.

I have been reading your new thread and have spent some time last night and this morning preparing an addition to it. It’s a good (and necessary) thread.

 

This is ridiculous., I'm going to use some Obama words, so imagine his voice: Let's be clear: There's not a 100% drug out there for Coronavirus yet. At the same time, there are varying treatments(not just this one) that may or may not work. Even the President highlighted the fact that there were more than just the one.

Dr. Fauci also promoted that there are several treatments in the work. Some are using this particular treatment, others are using different treatments. Whatever works for the individual patient, and the doctor and their coordinating team treating them.

The issue, is that neither Trump nor governors should be involved with the patient-doctor situation. No one should be talking about regulating treatments and options. Being pro-choice, means being OKAY with the consequences of those choices.

And being pro-choice also means being okay with other people's choices. Democrats claimed themselves to be pro-choice, but when push came to shove, they weren't really pro-choice were they?

Same thing with the quarantine, restrictions and governor-diktated power, When push came to shove on the Republic, no one should say I'm "far right" anymore, since we surrendered the Federal Republic to the Coronavirus.

 

Of course Trump never said "eat fish tank cleaner" --- Duh! But that couple heard 'hydrochloriquine' and some people are stupid enough to think "hey that's what I have in my fish tank clearer, that'll work!" And they take it, and they die.

You people are just refusing to see the truth. That's sad for our country when the truth is there, the facts are there and people adamantly argue against truths and facts.

 

Cardiac arrhythmias are only one side effect, but it's a serious one. I suffer from atrial fibrillation, which isn't life threatening. But a ventricular arrhythmia IS life threatening because it can lead to cardiac arrest. If a person that already has a cardiac history takes this drug, they're putting their life in danger.

Other side effects:

• headache, dizziness, ringing in your ears;
• nausea, vomiting, stomach pain;
• loss of appetite, weight loss;
• mood changes, feeling nervous or irritable;
• skin rash or itching; or.
• hair loss.

 

That has not been proven yet

 

It is the development of retinal plaques (blindness) that is most concerning.

 

It has been proven that some people absolutely react well to it, to the point that it has been approved by the FDA

 

Nobody takes the blame for attempting unapproved, non FDA regulated therapies to treat coronavirus? Who would ever split a vent between two patients unless it was a desperate situation? Mechanical ventilation is used only under dire circumstance and Covid-19 is presenting with circumstances never before seen in any respiratory virus. The sacs of the lungs fill up with thick mucous and they swell. Something that's never been seen on CT of a Covid-19 infection of the lungs is what they describe as “ground-glass opacity” because it looks like the frosted glass on a shower door. That's not usual, never seen before -- never. This infection is not like a regular respiratory flu pneumonia, not even close. Inspiration and expiration is literally impossible for the patient, as the swelling gets worse, their lungs fill with fluid and debris that's when their blood oxygen saturation levels drop to the 60% range when it should be higher than 88% that's when they either die of suffocation or they're put on mechanical ventilation to pump oxygen through their alveolar sacs in the lungs.

Have you ever been close to suffocating to death? It's not pleasant, that's why the ventilator is necessary, or they die. There's no such thing as 'sufficient trials' for mechanical ventilation. That's a decision made by doctors after evaluating the levels of the blood gases that are drawn by the lab.

 

And if you had clicked on the link in my later post you would see that I have included the link to the SOLIDARITY trial that is looking at multiple drugs and interventions

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...earch-drug-trials-and-pathophysiology.571138/

 

No the research is equivocal as it was with SARS and MERS both of which were corona viruses


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...earch-drug-trials-and-pathophysiology.571138/

Now tell me, since this drug is already being used for various autoimmune disorders. If it worked as a preventative surely these people already on it would be not getting the virus

Is there any research showing that that is happening?

 

Yet doctors are using it and seeing promising results, which is why the FDA approved it for use against the corona virus.

 

Sorry mate

Ground glass appearance on CT and x-ray is a marker of ARDS. What is different with COVUD patients is that we are seeing this only at the periphery of the lungs at first and that the patients own efforts to breathe appear to be damaging the lungs

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-06033-2

 

Speaking of truth, how is your ideal European healthcare system doing these days. What is the rate of fatalities versus the US system that Democrats want to replace? We have a perfect one-to-one comparison. I'm looking forward to your truth.

 

Because it does work in the laboratory (in vitro) but when we have trialled in it has worked for some people possibly but not for others