Smugglers Cut Doors Into Trump's Wall

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  1. robini123

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    Which does nothing to defeat my argument. The Trump barrier can be defeated by a blowtorch or a circular saw. If Trump were serious about securing the border he would build a much tougher barrier. As it is the wall is simply a propaganda tool for Trump and money wasted when there are more effective ways to deal with the problem. The Trump wall does little to nothing to mitigate incentive to come to America illegally. So long as there is incentive, Trump's easily compromised wall is but a obstacle that can be overcome. Do not underestimate the will of those desperate to escape poverty and corruption in South America. When illegals know that they can enter illegally, work, be sheltered in sanctuary cities and receive welfare, then there is huge incentive to violate U.S. law.
     
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    1) I'm not American. I don't know or care what Trump does in his spare time, but he has no 'politices' against skin tone. It's Progressives who worry about skin tone 24/7. The rest of us care about behaviour.

    2) No, you are afraid to NOT talk about it, because then all you'll have is 'the content of a man's character'. If all you have is character, you've lost 90% of your purpose, and you'll have to judge people for themselves, rather than the identity you give them to avoid having to regard them as real human beings. Flaws and all.

    3) We have few to nil Mexicans/Central Americans in this country. I do know a Chilean family though .. does that count?

    4) My family are black migrants. Embarrassed yet?
     
  3. AFM

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    You don’t understand the difference between correlation and causation. That’s embarrassing but you have plenty of company.
     
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    The Israelis have plenty of these propaganda tools. They keep undesirable people from crossing their borders.
     
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    Nobody said that. Nice try. I said over 50% of illegals in this country did not cross the border illegally. Understand?
     
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    The laws sort of exist but neither party actually wants to enforce them.
     
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    Yes indeed I do understand that concept but it does not apply with those who are living downwind of coal power plants anymore then it apply to smokers.

    You could do better job then you are doing by studying the tobacco companies similar attempts to used your arguments in the 1950s.

    One of the few nice things about being old is you are able to remember such attempts when you are sadly running into someone who once more is using the same false logic methods
     
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    Israel is not America, but America may be able to learn something by studying Israel.
     
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    It's not all posturing. My wife's aunt was a liberal Christian who spent her entire adult life helping people. She taught school to black children in the Jim Crow South in the 1950s and 1960s.
    Some do, including adopt foreign children.
    If they want society to help by increasing taxes, they're contributing, too.
     
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    We have and that is why propaganda tools are being built on the southern border.
     
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    Beijing has a pollution concentration 10 times that of Washington DC. The life expectancy in Beijing is 81 years whilst the life expectancy in Washington DC is 76 years. According to your thinking Washington DC should increase their pollution by 10 times to increase life expectancy.

    That’s the difference between correlation and causation.

    BTW causation between smoking and lung cancer has been proven.
     
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    How about creating an effective e-verify system to stop employers from hiring illegals? Right now, we could have a national ID card modelled on the Nexus Pass that could be read by a smart phone app. It would be tied a database maintained by the government. Employers who employ illegals, even of domestics and casual labor, would face a nasty fine, and employers who flout the law would get jail time.
    Yeah, the wall is hype to keep attention off of measures that would actually work.
    Most are looking for work, not welfare.
     
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    Yet people are still cutting holes in the barriers. We will not agree but I appreciate you taking the time to give me your perspective.
     
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    I can get behind that. I have no problem with those looking to enrich themselves through labor... so long as it is done legally.
     
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    How long does it take to cut these holes in the propaganda tools ???

    Why aren’t they cutting holes in the Israelis propaganda tools ???

    How many people have gotten through these propaganda tools ???

    How much has illegal immigration been reduced by these propaganda tools ???
     
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    Nobody knows how many illegals are in the US.
     
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    There are a lot of Eastern European illegals in America.
     
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    There are estimates, but nobody knows. That's kinda the point about being "undocumented."
     
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    I have nothing against people from other countries coming to work here temporarily, and/or, to apply for citizenship in the United States -- but, they MUST do so legally, and observe every requirement of the law of this country, without exception. Otherwise, they are nothing but illegal invaders, and they should be stopped by any means necessary. I have suggested a few that I'm certain would work very well, but nobody is interested in doing anything that actually DOES stop them....

    Look... when these slimebags figure out how to cut holes in our brand new, 'beautiful' wall, and, install GATES in them, isn't it obvious that the whole 'wall' thing is just one gigantic, expensive failure...? Illegal aliens are like cockroaches -- the only thing that makes an impression on them is the unrelenting use of deadly force! Like I said earlier, "when the gunfire starts, the bullshit stops!"

    [​IMG] ."After that first month, we haven't come across any illegals at all!"
     
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    They dont need to enact a law that the SC court already said is an American right

    Gov 101
     
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    Yes, and we have control over who comes here to work, when they come, how long they stay, and wether or not they can immigrate.
     
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    Every jew on the planet, variety of people from other religions

    Sorry, be silly to assume everyone shares your same religious beliefs

    But since it's legal in the US....
     
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    There are 14 million Jews in the world. You seriously argue that they all believe that human life only begins at birth ???

    Why would you assume my beliefs have anything to do with religion ???

    So where are these billions who believe that life does not begin until birth ???
     
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    I do not agree and this is why. The basis of Roe v Wade is not abortion at all. It is about female privacy. Democrats have long had tools to enact it into a Federal law. But they refuse. Guess why?
     

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