No, that isn't how it works...people, especially people who have done nothing wrong, shouldn't be treated like animals....that is so VERY Hitlereque... ANd if she decides to have sex and has an unwanted pregnancy she can decide to have an abortion or not...
But she is doing something wrong if she makes a choice to bring life into existence, and then later makes the choice to snuff it out. To argue she shouldn't be responsible... you'd have to argue she is an animal. (Or that the fetus is an animal. Someone would have to be an animal)
THE UNCHERRYPICKED POST: WHY? There's nothing wrong with getting an abortion.....haven't ya heard, they're legal. It's very Hitleresque to take away people's right to bodily autonomy.... Have ya got proof of your claim yet ??? YOU"" But then I've also heard them say women are like animals and can't control themselves."" NO proof so far!!! NO, that's a right whether one chooses to have it or not. WHY should that take away her right to bodily autonomy? It can't An "unchoice" ...??? Really, that's the best you can do ? LOL!
I don't have an obligation to address all of your post. Sometimes I might only respond to a part of it. If, for some reason you feel that is not fair, then you can explain why. I really do try not to take things in people's posts out of context. You only have a right for me to quote your entire post if I am taking something out of context and being deceptive about it.
So you want the rights without the responsibility. She's only a human being when we are talking about rights. Yet when we're talking about responsibility, suddenly she's like an animal who had no choice.
THE UNCHERRYPICKED POST:No, that isn't how it works...people, especially people who have done nothing wrong, shouldn't be treated like animals....that is so VERY Hitlereque... ANd if she decides to have sex and has an unwanted pregnancy she can decide to have an abortion or not...""" No, changing your mind is not wrong.....haven't you ever changed your mind? BTW NO woman can CHOOSE to get pregnant...she could have sex a thousand times , "choosing " to get pregnant but that won't get her pregnant... No, that isn't in any way logical...it makes no sense...YOUR idea of what's "responsible" is not, and should not be, everyone's idea of what's responsible. Irresponsible people are not animals.. That doesn't make sense....why would somone have to be an animal???? WTF?? Have ya got proof of your claim yet ??? YOU"" But then I've also heard them say women are like animals and can't control themselves."" NO proof so far!!!
FoxHastings, will you concede that the woman had choice over whether to get pregnant in the first place? If you can concede that one little point, then we can stop arguing about this.
LOL YOU said that ! Not I ! LOL, you sure are getting confused....I NEVER said women were animals....a thing you STILL haven't proven
I don't need to prove anything, I only need to point out the contingencies. If you choose door A, then I present the implications for that. If you choose door B, then I present the implications for that. I don't have to prove whether A or B is true. (By the way, you still haven't explicitly denied women are animals, just to point out to everybody else reading this)
LOL, are looking for a way out ?? NO, women have NO choice over whether they get pregnant or not....as I said, they could have sex a thousand times "choosing " to get pregnant and NOT get pregnant...choosing isn't what gets them pregnant..
You made a cliam in your OP...it was quite clear....and you have shown NO proof of your claim.... Have ya got proof of your claim yet ??? YOU"" But then I've also heard them say women are like animals and can't control themselves.""
Your argument is based on semantics. I proved the claim, just not in a quite literal enough way that you seem to be demanding. Your hangup seems to be that I claimed they said women were animals, when in reality they used the word humans instead of women, but it was still in the context of talking about women.
If any pro-choicer in the future claims "she didn't have choice over whether to get pregnant", I'm going to link back to this discussion.
YOUR OP: """"In the past here on this forum, I've heard pro-choicers say women should not be treated like animals. But then I've also heard them say women are like animals and can't control themselves. So which it?!? kazenatsu, Wednesday at 11:28 PM Report
Any male who gets a woman pregnant without her permission should have a forced vasectomy. Speaking of being irresponsible. And to really be in line with your thinking, any male having sex without marriage should have a forced vasectomy. For it's never known when his sperm will cause a pregnancy.
Obviously, your stretched logic doesn't work there. In our present society, it's the woman who decides whether or not to have an abortion. At no point did I ever say a woman should be sterilized only just because she got an unintended pregnancy. But yeah, sure, for the sake of argument, I'll agree to your premise; Any man who gets a woman pregnant and then coerces her into an abortion...
FoxHastings said: ↑ Obviously, your stretched logic doesn't work here... I was referring to you OP....
What about a man who gets a woman pregnant and coerces her into an abortion ??? The other poster never said anything about that....just like no one said ""women are like animals and can't control themselves."" Why can't you address what was actually posted ?
I see. Men have no responsibility in your world. They are not responsible for a pregnancy. Obviously I poked a huge hole in you stretched logic. Afterall, you are throwing out terms like animals and force sterilization. You said a woman needs to be sterilized if they get an abortion. But I think you did offer 1 free get out of jail card. You think the responsibility fall soley on the woman. If that is the case, then she and her doctor get to decide what to do with her pregnancy based on her best interests at the time.
