So its 3 years in the trumps presidency but no state visit to Germany yet

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  1. Thedimon

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    It doesn’t matter what he tweets.
    In the US Germany rarely shows up in the news. I bet in your country the US is being discussed a lot more that we discuss Germany.
    So, why make a state visit to a country that means nothing from military perspective, the country that refuses to do things that would cause real splash in the world? UK is way ahead of you from that perspective and everyone hears UKs roar. Germany? Meh, it’s a whatever country somewhere in the middle of the EU.
     
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    I think it only seems hard left because he's anti-American. We sometimes forget that hatred of America is the glue that unites the world.
     
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    Really? UK is called americas poodle Here. No roar. More like high pitched barking.

    What should we do that cause a huge splash in the world?
     
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    UK stopped Iranian tanker and defended its tanker from Iranian navy later. Sorry, I don’t see germans having guts to do something like that (in Germany of today).
     
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    Start projecting power in the world. Look at U.K. for an example, they are actually an excellent role model when it comes to that. UK definitely punches above its weight.
     
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    Trump has strained relations with most of Europe. His bullying, dissing joint agreements, and meddling in their politics does not a good friend make.
     
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    For some reason, the Germans have gone off war.
    Their European neighbors, believe me, are NOT complaining.
    Let's not goad them into changing.

    They're very very good at anything they do. (Churchill said that one German soldier was worth three Allied soldiers.)
    They're the natural leaders of Europe, especially now that the UK has left, and will probably get more interested in the military thing once Uncle Sam goes home.

    In the meantime, let them keep exporting those beautiful Mercedes and BMWs, and not Panzers and Messerschmidts.
     
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    I simply answered Sobos question. Sadly, but to be really noticeable in this world you need the ability make a real splash.
     
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    Neither does their freeloading off our military budget.
     
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    Hardly freeloading. More like contributing to our efforts when we invade other countries, helping us fight our wars. Did you notice that this undying support has waned? Regardless, Trump is his own worst enemy. His bullying tactics have alienated friends and foes alike.
     
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    Most our budget for decades went to the direct defense of Europe and Germany specifically.
     
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    What "undying" support? And we helped Europe fight against Germany in 2 WORLD WARS started in the same century a few years apart and we beat Germany TWICE.
     
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    So its 3 years in the trumps presidency but no state visit to Germany yet.

    You hate Trump. You should want for him not to visit Germany. I'm confused.
     
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    Why should we? We arent pirates.
     
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    Lucky it did because can you imagine what would have happened if those countries were overrun? My arguments are about the aftermath of the war and into the current century.
     
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    You did barely participate in WW I and joined WW II when it was already lost for us.
     
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    I am referencing the CURRENT situation since Trump began to trample our allies with his bullying and ignorance.
     
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    No but the Iranians are
     
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    And you don’t have to. There are countries like Norway, Luxembourg, Austria that have higher GDP per capita than Germany and they are living happily without aspirations for world domination. I bet Trump wasn’t visiting those countries often simply because they are not significant to us. They are rich, but they just bask in their own lard and don’t get involved. Just like Germany.
    You want to become important? Pull your guns out and do something that will force others to talk to you. That’s what U.K. and Russia are doing and that’s why they punch above their weight.
     
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    I bet he is jealous that we have trump.
    Judging from Sobo quoting some German politicians one can conclude he likes rude people to run regions and countries.
    If trump were running Germany he’d be his biggest advocate.
     
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    They are not.
     
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    'We' did not 'beat Germany' in the Second World War. The Russians did most of that.
    There was never less than 75% of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, sometimes up to 90%.

    Had Hitler not invaded Russia, he, or his heirs, would be the masters of Europe today.

    If he had not gratuitously declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor, it's conceivable that he just might have defeated the Russians,
    with some adroit diplomacy to neutralize the British. Especially if the Nazis had not been so beastly to the people in their
    conquered territories, especially Ukraine, they would have done even better than they did.
    We're very lucky that FDR goaded him personally before the war began.

    You don't want an impulsive ego-centric man for your leader.
     
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    Yes they are..
    They mined two oil tankers and tried to attack another.

    The Iranians are not allowed to ship oil to Syria, yet they atrempted to do just that. So the british siezed the ship lawfully.
    Everything iran has been doing is unlawful.
    They have a rogue government who is threatening the safety of our shipping.

    It's not a subject open for debate. They are in fact, by definition pirates.

    You can disagree but that just makes you factually incorrect.
     
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    The American and british bombardment of Germany's war making capability and our supplying Russia with war making materials won the war.

    Defeating Germany was certainly a team effort but without America there would have been no team.
     
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    You can start by making some kids, rather than outsourcing it to refugees.
     
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