So its 3 years in the trumps presidency but no state visit to Germany yet

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  1. free man

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    USA won ww2 for you.
    Had the Germans won, the world would have gone into the dark ages again.
     
  2. Sobo

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    Iran is a souvereign nation and can ship oil to syria.

    There is zero prove iran mined oil tankers. The german BND says it was Saudi Arabia.

    Iran sticksvto deals, the US regime breaks deals.

    You can disagree but that just makes you incorrect
     
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    Birthrate in Germany is highest here in eastern Germany and its actually german babies, so kids wizh value.
     
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    Angela Merkel is--at the very least--center-left (some would say a bit further to the left). That is hardly comparable with Helmut Schmidt or Helmut Kohl (who were chancellors under Reagan); or Gerhard Schroder (who was chancellor for part of the time under George W. Bush; I admit that I am unaware if he visited Germany during Merkel's tenure).

    As for Angela Merkel, she was the German chancellor for the entire time of Barack Obama's presidency; and, since she was his political soulmate, it is really quite unsurprising that he would feel no compunction about visiting Germany during her tenure.

    Note: President Trump certainly has his flaws--he is boastful, arrogant, and coarse--but to constantly be on the lookout for any possible way to criticize the man is, in my opinion, more like an act of The Resistance than it is a thoughtful, analytical critique.

    Think about it.
     
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    I see the point if you are negotiating a major treaty. Of course the minions to the real work, but to get momentum to push something through, a state visit gets the kind of positive press you need.
     
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    I actually knew a few old men who claimed that their villages got better treatment from Nazis than from the Soviets. Maybe some nazi officers were better than the others.
    I’m not sure how much there was truth to it, but your theory seems to be right - if Nazis treated people in conquered territories better they wouldn’t have to deal with guerrilla warfare and would be able to better concentrate their errors on the front.
     
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    Ok so lets go take out Iran and Saudi Arabia.
    Make the world safer..
    Were it not for Russian oil you'd be singing a much different tune.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that this is the conventional wisdom. I think it's a déformation professionnelle of all military people to think, as one fellow put it during the Vietnam War, when there was a lot of talking about 'winning the hearts and minds of the people, "Aw ... get 'em by the balls and the hearts and minds will follow". Although the real problem the Germans had was the worldview of the Nazis, which assigned the Slavs the role of being the servants of the German colonists who would move into the conquered territories.
     
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    You think the war was lost in 1941? Nah. A couple of good decisions could have stopped that.
     
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    Germany birth rate is about 200 in the world out of 210 states. This includes the immigrants who push it up.
    You have lost you joy of life a long time ago.
    Even Khazachstan make twice as many kids per person as Germany does.
     
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    Here is a short list of physicists who fled for their life from Germany before ww2. 8 of them won Nobel: Hans Bethe, Felix Bloch, Max Born, Albert Einstein, James Franck, Otto Frisch, Fritz London, Lise Meitner, Erwin Schrödinger, Otto Stern, Leo Szilard, Edward Teller, Victor Weisskopf, Eugene Wigner.
    So don't come here telling how Germans stand for science.
    As for phylosophy, your great phylosoph, Martin Heidegger. Enough said.
     
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    Germany is the most important country in Europe. Why wouldn't a U.S. President schedule a visit?
    Uh huh. The most important country in the EU is "irrelevant." Typical Trumpite BS.
    She isn't cooperating because Trump is a jackass and his our foreign policy isn't good for Europe--or America.
     
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    Haven't been to Germany have you? Germans are lots of fun to hang with and the country is pretty.
     
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    Put the period after think and delete the last three words.
    Of course, it is. We're important to them, too.
     
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    meeting a narcissist like Trump just invites trouble, best to keep ones distance

    it's like having a narcissist boss with a fragile ego, you want the least contact possible
     
  16. free man

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    Been there more times than I can count.
    Yes, Germans are fun. I know many good and friendly Germans, some I also call friends and some are even family.
    Still as a nation/society, they lost the will to live. Not having kids means you do not believe in the futute and are not willing to spend energy for it.
     
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    The Soviets and Nazis were oppressors. Both brought misery and death. You're going to pick from them, are you?

    The U.S. and the Soviets, with a little help from their friends, took out the Germans, and then the Americans, with help from their friends, took out the Soviets. The world is better off without Nazis and Soviets. A lot better off.
     
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    Germany is a dog. Sitzen. Gut hund.
     
  19. Thedimon

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    At the time of the WWII in Ukraine those were the only options. Both evil and sad, for the people who lived through that.

    I am perfectly fine with current world order. It’s Putin, Ayatollahs and similar dick-tators who want to change it.
     
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    Hard to know where to begin. Why should a German care all that much if identifying as a German is less important in the future than identifying as, say, a European, or even a world citizen? If a German decides tomorrow he or she is a European and not a German, does that mean in essence a German passed away?

    I think it's beginning to dawn on people, we need fewer of ourselves on the planet and it would be dandy if we had a much lower birthrate. Shouldn't Germans want to participate in an effort to cut the world population?

    Something may be more important than being German, American, European, Chinese, Indian, or whomever.
     
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    There is a problem with that.
    Africans, Central/South Americans and Asians are not on a quest to cut down human population.
    Also, germans and Americans are having fewer kids not because they have a noble quest of cutting down on human population, but because it’s getting expensive to have kids. People in 1st world countries should really lower their expectations - you can’t send all of your kids to Harvard, nor should you expect to. Most of the people have to do sacrifices when they raise kids and you will have to too when you raise your own. Hoping to preserve exact same lifestyle when you have kids is stupid. And that’s what causes people in 1st world countries to give birth to fewer kids and later in life. So, pretty much greed and selfishness kills off white people.

    When whites die off and the rest assimilates with other races, the world population will not be lower than today. It will be higher and it will start growing even faster.
     
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    Humble yourself son.

    American taxpayers spend more on education, health care, and anti poverty programs than the entire German GDP.
     
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    Independent nation's typically aren't heavily occupied by American troops.
     
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    Can you give me a technical definition of the “most important country in Europe”!
     
  25. LangleyMan

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    Technical?
     

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