So much for the rule of law

And then you have the Rudolfs, the David Koresh's, the Timothy McVeighs, the Dylan Roofs, the Bundy's, the Randy Weavers, and so forth that have used guns and bombs to encourage political violence too. And those are "your guys."

 

Right wing terrorism has long been considered the greatest threat by law enforcement.

And let's not forget Charlotte and Jan 6th.

 

1) Moved goalposts. I never represented Obama and Clinton's history with Alinsky as "problematic". On the contrary, that they are honor student alums of Alinsky U. is very enlightening when trying to understand who they are and why they do, and say, and believe, what they do. It was you who needed convincing that they had any association with Alinsky's teachings at all. I merely provided that for you.. you're welcome.

2) The OP has pointed out that this line of discussion is derailing his thread, and I agree. This will be my last post to do with this in his thread.

 

Didn’t say you were. And nothing is crackpot about it. Would u like to list his rules for radicals and u can tel me which one the left doesn’t follow?

 

That is Alinsky rule #2 or 3: accuse the opposition for doing the things you're trying to get away with.

 

We could play this silly game all day long do you have a point?

 

and the only people you "progressive liberals'' tend to criticize as far as the religious go are Christians.

 

Do you have much affinity for those who commit honor killings or throw gays off of rooftops or fly airplanes into buildings?

You so call progressive liberals seem to have no criticism for them

 

Christians is a very, very, very broad category. We have three basic sects: Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy. It is the White Evangelical Christian movement, a subsect of Protestantism generally, that gets the most attention and criticism generally. And it is in this area where you see politics and religion combine for a nasty combination such as Westboro Baptist Church or Greg Locke and his so-called preaching about Covid, etc. It is also here where you see the Christian Identity Movement taking hold and where you will have people believe that the United States is a Christian Nation and all other religions are here as a privilege, except Islam of course. It is also here where you will hear the pastors call Mormonism a cult or that Islam is a false religion or that Catholicism is not true Christianity. However, if you go to a Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Traditional Baptist or even a Church of Christ, I don't think you will see the same thing. These churches look and feel more like miniconcerts with motivational speakers than speaking to the Bible. I occasionally listen to Chuck Swindoll on the radio and he does have some good teachings, for instance, but my favorite is the Crystal Cathedral when Robert H Schuller and Dr. Charles Stanley of First Baptist of Atlanta. And I got these from my mother and grandmother.


I think this article is a really, really good read. It says, "The Church is not a victim of America’s civic strife. Instead, it is one of the principal catalysts."

 

Oh, please—Alinsky isn't the first scumbag to advocate lying.

 

Of course not. They're sickos.

I'm not a liberal, progressive or otherwise.

 

Roe vs Wade was never legitimately decided law. It was an error and is about to be fixed. Two thirds of Americans support some limits on abortion as well. Leaving it up to the 50 states is the best compromise.

 

It was a Supreme Court Decision and that is about as legitimate as it can get. Whether the precedent is overturned or not remains to be seen.

 

If you think this is an either or situation, then you have not been paying attention, have you? Both sides have had its share of extremism and we see that now. The exception, your side of extremism is on the front of every conservative talk rado, TV program, and website either glorifying what they say, agreeing fully with what they say or advocating with what they say. And that makes it on social media and other platforms all the time. Then you have the other side. Yes it happens, but it is usually hyperbole from the right that gets the news or that traditional news spends little time with it but still acknowledges it. You even had liberal sites call on Schumer not to say that sort of thing. But you will be hard-pressed to find conservatives do that because that is an "unforgivable" sin in Republican politics.

 

Even RBG thought that it was sloppily decided and that the grounds for reversal were there. So did a number of liberal lawyers and constitutional experts. Reversing Roe doesn’t outlaw abortion. It simply returns the issue back to the states and to the people per the 10th amendment.

 

And yet, she was still a defender, a longtime defender, or woman's reproductive rights, including Abortion BTW.

I understand what RBG said about the case of Roe V Wade. And she would not have argued it that way, but she also said, she would have voted for the same result, that is a right to abotion is still a right. Not exactly what you had in mind, did you?

 

Well you just confirmed your double standards.
What elected Democrat called on Schumer not to do that?

Who condemned Maxine Waters obvious call for public harassment of elected officials by mobs?

 

I ran across an Alinsky operative (sent by Alinsky himself) when I was attending Long Beach State. His goofy guy was going to tell us how to organize against the Vietnam War. We told the guy to take a hike because he was a dumbass. He had money and thought we could be bought.

 

now his devotees follow along in his footsteps willingly and free of charge.

Pretty much the new marching orders for today's highly radicalized Democrat party

 

There is nothing in the Constitution about "unborn" persons. Nothing. The only way to fix Roe would be to reject any restrictions on abortion. Want to outlaw abortion? Pass a constitutional amendment.

 

Joe Biden himself said that the law on roe v Wade went too far and he did not agree with it.

Of course he has since did a 180 since the political winds have shifted

 

Some will always think it their right to murder their own child for their own personal selfish convenience…

 

And what double standard are you talking about? And you went from no mention of any elected official to now "elected Democrat." Way to change your goalposts. I merely stated that both sides do this and you call that a double standard? Here's a hint, stop viewing things from a political kaleidoscope. All I said is that the media, the "liberal" media, called Chuck Schumer's comments in 2020 by saying "that type of talk does nobody any good." Meanwhile, the conservative media does not do that at all. That's the distinction here and that is factual.

 

I think she would have argued it differently. From what I gather, from the public talks she has given on the decision, I think she had a different argument while still maintaining the eventual decision that abortion was a right.

 

There’s plenty about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life begins at conception. It is the baby killers who need to amend the constitution to be able to take a human life without their having a say in the matter