So Should We Round Up Christians?

I agree, nobody worships cesaer

 

there are no depections of Jesus that are modeled after Cesaer.

 

There was a period in history when all subjects, including Jews and Christians, were required to worship Caesar once a year in order to get a certificate or stamp so they could buy and sell.

Some scholars think that was the Mark of the Beast.

 

Yes I did. In response to

I replied

AND YOU CHIME IN, going OUTSIDE of the US and go back MORE than 50 years, and claim I am exaggerating, when you are only demonstrating my point.

 

iagree, thats why ididnt state cesaer

 

There is none good but God as I quoted from the Gospel (words attributed to Jesus) on page 16 of this topic. So you can stop being a troll at any time.

The Fundamentalist Baptist Madrassa I attended did not use a Cesare icon because they wanted us to cut our hair short above the ears. The depiction of historical characters is not forbidden because we are not idolaters, we idolize no pictures or things or people, we have no final prophet to be idolized and people murdered over depictions of like the Islam murders over cartoons and video depictions:

Official Statecraft of the United States of America, the first one was posted on the State Department's website:

"The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." (Clinton)

"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." (Obama)

“Let me state very clearly that the United States has absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its contents.” (Clinton) http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-pakistan-ad-denouncing-anti-muslim-film?lite

Contents:

“[Elder Woman] Source: LYBIO.net
My age has exceeded 120 years and in all my young life ‘I haven’t seen such a murderous thug as Muhammad’. He kills men, captures women and children, robs the caravans, breaches agreements and treaties. He sells the children as slaves after he and his men have used them. And what’s more, he does this all in the name of God. What God is this? That he’s such an oppressor and so unfair to the people.” http://lybio.net/tag/innocence-of-muslims-muhammad-movie-transcription/

Evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_raids


(3) Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha: On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'." (Book #15, Hadith #103)


"(3) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)"


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
"He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"



“Muhammad then approached the Banu Qaynuqa, gathering them in the market place and addressing them as follows,

‘O Jews, beware lest God bring on you the like of the retribution which he brought on Quraysh. Accept Islam, for you know that I am a prophet sent by God. You will find this in your scriptures and in God's covenant with you.[14]’”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Qainuqa


“[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
[2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.
[2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it).
[2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.”
“[2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.”

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“‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video,’ said Hillary Clinton.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/331806/incredible-shrinking-president-mark-steyn

“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

"’[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it constitutional protection. [485 U.S. 46, 56] For it is a central tenet of the First Amendment that the government must remain neutral in the marketplace of ideas.’ Id., at 745-746.” http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=485&invol=46

Since the video in question was legal speech, and “we absolutely reject its contents” was not legal statecraft, therefore, Obama and Clinton violated their oaths of office, consequently, their actions must be impeached.

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Let’s be perfectly clear, Islam murdered over the video, and our President and Secretary of State violated their oath of office in response to the threat of Islam, and Jesus Christ in the Gospel is reported to have said:

“And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven”

“The New Testament uses the earlier indefinite form while introducing a novel definite form, "the son of man." This is found exclusively in the four gospels and in the mouth of Jesus, where it functions as an emphatic reference by the speaker to himself ("I/me/my").” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_man

So you can say what you want against Jesus because he was a real man, which is not to be confused with the false prophet of Islam’s followers who kill over depictions of their false prophet MoHamMad.

I repeat, so try and get it, the Gospel says Jesus Christ said:

“And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven”

And our President in cowardly response to the reaction of Muslims over a video depiction of MoHamMad said:

“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." (Obama)

The Koran says that Allah made Jesus be. That issue is irrelevant to eternal life you may troll and slander Jesus at your little heart’s content; I could care less about it. If Moslems would listen to logic and compare their false prophet’s teachings to the Gospel on the matter of whether they should kill over slander and need a quisling to commit genocide for their perfect future, “liberals” who support the criminal ethnic cleansing of the future would not be so inclined to start such topics in defense of their Islam.

 

Sigh...

How do you know they never colluded with one another?

The Codex is the best account for some type of accuracy relating to the original scriptures. This does not mean it is an accurate representation of the scriptures. After all...how would you know, when the originals don't even exist?

 

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Other than that, your statement is not factual. No one other than knee jerk reacting Leftists would be calling for rounding up Muslims. Under Woodrow Wilson Blacks were segregated in the military and Germans were placed in concentration camps. During WWII under Franklin Roosevelt Japanese, Italians and Germans civilians were also sent to "Internment Camps" while Blacks continued to be segregated in the military. Give credit to HST for desegregating the military during the Korean War.

 

this is an interesting video of somebodies heartfelt idea and observations, take a minute of your time and watch and tell me what you think, thanks.

[video=youtube;TQM_DAjQX9Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQM_DAjQX9Q[/video]

 

That video is a perfect example of Obama’s Church that was more like a club, they are there to party and not learn anything, basically their preachers are showmen, and if there to learn he should have known instantly this was wrong:

“President Obama offered a new line of reasoning for hiking taxes on the rich on Thursday, saying at the National Prayer Breakfast that his policy proposals are shaped by his religious beliefs.

Obama said that as a person who has been ‘extraordinarily blessed,’ he is willing to give up some of the tax breaks he enjoys because doing so makes economic, and religious sense.
‘For me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus's teaching that for unto whom much is given, much shall be required,’ Obama said, quoting the Gospel of Luke.”

All flash, bad preacher, and the absolute inability to comprehend the material, as that verse has nothing whatsoever to do with Christians imposing government redistribution programs but Christian responsibility. http://biblehub.com/luke/12-48.htm It has to do with doing what is required when you are tasked and those in lesser positions of responsibility who do not know their master’s wishes (atheists&#8230 will be punished less than a Christian on judgment day. In like manner, applying that verse to government, Obama was given much responsibility, and failed to deliver when he capitulated to Islam and violated his oath of office with regard to protecting the right of freedom of speech in the Benghazi affair and sided with the tyranny of Islam:

"[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse."

Obama sowed seeds of appeasement of Islam in the face of violence against freedom of speech, as it was his administration’s claim that the video caused a spontaneous demonstration in Benghazi, which was proven to be a lie, and now is reaping the murder of those elsewhere (like the Christians who did not make it to the mountaintop) who would not bow down with those who bow down. The Christian cannot enjoy the fruits of appeasement of Satan for long, just as Peter refused to give up his right to speech, Obama and Clinton should have come out swinging in defense of our Constitution, instead Obama said: "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [Satan]."

There is no reason to round up those Obamanation “Christians” in your video, they are ignorant and should get few stripes for their support of the traitor Obama, Obama on the other hand was a constitutional law professor and Clinton was lawyer, so he should be have been impeached and given five years in prison and Clinton just impeached.

 

and this, how do you explain this idolatry?

 

the point is still ithe book is an interpretation. It is not the Q;ran no matter which century it was written.

 

You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them (Exodus 20:4-5)

How many christians have a cross on their neck, or a shrine dedicated to cesare or a chapel absolutely littered from head to foot with images of romans?

 

there are no Christians that have a shrine dedicated to Ceasar.

 

i sure there arent, thats why istated cesare

 

That is not an idol, it is a statue of a man, not our Father or a god. The Hebrews came from a culture of idolatry, just as the Roman Catholics, so the Jews had to be more sensitive to graven images and the Romans should have been. There is nothing wrong with images of things, it is praying toward things that is wrong. MoHamMad originally prayed toward the Temple Mount, but in a childlike Satanic fit changed it to Mecca when the Jews rejected his false religion. Like the snake idol those wandering around came to worship the tool not the God that made it work; for all we know it might have had a diagnosis computer and automatic dispenser of anti-venom or might have had a lance and sucker like a Boy Scout snake bite kit.

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The semicolon is important, the message is not to bow down or serve them.

 

christianty
seeks to control the world through fear and violence.

 

The more you are using an interpretation, the more you are proving my point. You are quoting specific verses, taken out of context, and perpuated to fit a speicifc political agenda. yet, you have no clue what Muslim really is. Being Muslim is upholding the five pillars just as being Christian is simply accepting one, simple gift. No matter which Bible you read, or its influences, or its interpretations, Being Muslim or Christian is not what a book says. Thus, Jihad, as you describe is simply an interpretation of the book and thus loses the contexualism of what the book really says.

If you have done serious refractory research on the Q'ran and the bible, you know that studying the religions texts in its original language is the only way. Jihad literally means "struggle" when translated from Arabic to English. In a contextual sense, it has been translated to mean fighting or war such as the Hadith you prescribed. yet, if you look at the Q'ran, you will find another meaning.

this is true with all religious texts and how they are interpreted and misinterpreted. It is man that does this, not the book that was written. You have not shown you understand the contextualize of the verses you are providing nor do you understand what the Q'ran is and is not, what Muslim is and is not, and what Chritianity is and is not.

 

And yet, Muslims are calling him not a Muslim. Go figure?

 

Funny, the Christian Church does that today. We have non denominations, the various denominations of Protestantism, various orders within the Catholic church, and the different "popes" in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Al in all, saying what the ywant to mean when they want to mean it.

And then we have the "Feel Good doctrine: of most non denomination churches. Basically stating that if you are blessed with God's presence, then you are blessed financially, emotionally, and spriiaully. That is in direct contrast to the Book of Job, the Sermon on the Mount, and some passages in authentic Pauline letters.

 

No, it would violate the Golden Rule, you are trolling again. I know of a Hindu temple in County and State where I used to live, if we did as you say there would be no temple and no pouring milk over an idol there. According to the Gospel Jesus was attacked by the Pharisees for supping with the wrong people, certainly not the act of a man seeking to control the world through fear and violence. No, this is fear and violence right from the Koran “posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM”:

“Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. “

There is nothing wrong with art, historical depictions, or drawing a picture of what is under the microscope; it he act of worship of such things that is the sin. The Moslems and Jews venerate objects like the Temple Mount, and have given special meaning to them, which has become for them King of the Hill for endless warfare, those objects and places have become like idols.

 

without christian idolatry, europeans would never have been able to colonize the americas or afrika. it is this pagan form of christianity, one that fills its churches with images of romans to try and brainwash the followers into believing in the white savior industrial complex.

 

Bull. What happened in 1492 with regard to trade, we had to find another way, a way around Islam. Some of those colonists had a real problem with idols and vestments. Ever hear of Puritans?

 

No, they simply have different interpretations of the same texts. Fortunately, none of those texts justifying the punishment of heresy

 

If they were colluding with one another then they wouldn't have the discrepancies in time, place, date and order of event.

I'm not saying it does. What it DOES do, however, is show that for approximately 1700 years that it did not change significantly. You are expecting us to believe that it changed significantly in the first 300 years with nothing to suggest that's the case except for your bias.