Socioeconomic Researcher

Standard of living, but that can be a difficult thing to quantifiably measure.
People with lower incomes may have a higher standard of living if the costs they have to pay are lower and the goods they are buying are higher quality.
The environment people are living in also makes a big difference to standard of living. There are also working conditions as well.

 

Please tell me you're joking. You're barely even qualified to be typing on a computer if you're serious.

We are talking much much much much much much smaller differences than that. The genetic differences (if they even exist) we are discussing here are several IQ points. What I'm telling you is these differences hardly matter in building a civilization, and that the other factors I mentioned are far more important. Before you even start talking about something so specific and marginal as genetic differences you need to first understand simple socioeconomic concepts, because they will tell you a lot about the world (which you have much to learn).

You are making it much more difficult than it needs to be. Studies like this are a good (not perfect) indication of standard of living, but it should be done for more specific regions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index. This taken into account with other things I mentioned such as happiness, resource usage, technological progress etc. are more proper ways of setting bars for a nation (meaning that the rankings in the link aren't even close to what the final rankings will be, but they will highly effect them).

 

excellent post

 

forgive me for not welcoming you to the forum, but welcome and enjoy your stay.

your prescription for a 'healthy' society appears forced which is against free will. all moral doctrines hold free will precious, even if they sway from it from time to time due to self interest of those in power.

your society indoctrinates or brainwashes people into believing technical advancement or your idea of social health is the only right way, without allowing free thought for the individual to determine their destiny.

even an ethical capitalist society is more free than your society, because it gives the individual an equal opportunity to work as hard or as little as they like in their own pursuit of happiness, outside of your collective idea of happiness.

a free people ought to be allowed to fail, and given mercy when they do. there is no room for humanity in your society, .

 

east asians eat organic, white and black americans have been poisoned by the corporations who take away all the nutrients from the foods they sell for more money.

 

Whites seem to have more ADHD tendencies than Asians,

Asians have less of the 7 repeating allele of DRD4 which causes lower Dopamine levels.

People with lower Dopamine tend to be more adventurous, and have more ADHD like personalities,

This seems to directly reflect in the cultural patterns between Europeans, and East Asians.

Not only did Europeans display more adventurous explorative mentalities than East Asians,

ADHD tendencies also seem to make more explorative mentalities among scientists.

It's no wonder why Thomas Edison had ADHD tendencies.

This push the envelope adventurous tendencies has simply rewarded Europeans.

There's also other genes that would alter the Dopamine in Whites vs Asians.

Asians have lower MAO levels which spikes Dopamine levels.,

Whites have more of the long S allele on 5-HTTLPR than Asians, which leads to higher Serotonin, which Serotonin leads to lower Dopamine.

Keep in mind Men tend to have lower Dopamine levels than Women too.

Men most certainly have been more adventurous than Women,

To say such is ignorant?

WTF?

It fits like a glove.

 

East Asians have larger brains, more brachycephalic brains which tend to be more frontal brain dominant, they have more myopia linked to higher IQ scores too.

East Asians also tend to be very thin people, so they presumably have faster thyroid function, which faster thyroids are linked to higher cognitive ability.

On the inverse Blacks have smaller brains, more dolichocephalic brains which tend to be more rear brain dominant (The primitive part of the brain)

Blacks also have been shown to have general slower thyroid function, which isn't surprising that a lot of them tend to be heftier, but this negatively impacts cognitive ability, makes for laziness, and a lack of ambition.

So, it's not really shocking that we see vast differences in function between different races, and ethnic groups.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about, nothing but a bunch of incoherent ramblings with no understanding of the substance of the topic.

Here you talk about free will as if it some sort of well defined thing. Even if free will could be proven to be a real thing 99.9% of the people are strongly forged by their environment to a significant degree, taking away free will. This means that those with the wealth to control means of advertisement are "tyrants" over this so called free will you speak of. Before you start talking about free will you need to define it, as for now you provide nothing but rubbish.

This is absolutely not the case, this is just something you pulled out your rear. I have absolutely no interest in indoctrinating anyone, I have an interest in advancing socioeconomic policy. Maybe you don't realize that people are currently brainwashed in this society we live in. Yes it's true, and don't look now but it's looking like you're one of them.

An ethical capitalist society?! Who even said I wouldn't have a capitalist society, I haven't even spoke anything about an economic system in this topic yet. Do you even know what capitalism is? I have no "collective idea of happiness" and I didn't say people couldn't "pursue happiness" Again, more stuff you're just making up.

You continue to make no sense within context of the debate. Explain to me how there would be no humanity in my society since you seem to know it so well.

 

Asian American IQ scores aren't that much different than some White American IQ scores.

For example in the 1970's Polish Americans scored a 109 IQ, Chinese Americans a 108 IQ, German Americans a 105 IQ, and Irish Americans a 105 IQ.

https://books.google.com/books?id=z...QgbMAA#v=onepage&q=Polish American IQ&f=false

 

I don't deny that socioeconomic factors alter societies, but it's simply not enough to explain everything.

Why did Liberia, and Ethiopia which were not officially colonized end up poor by African standards, while Finland, and Ireland which were colonized for multiple hundreds of years end up rich by European standards?

The simple Liberal logic, or rather lack of logic simply falls short in any kind of full explanation,

 

Many Middle Easterners are lactose intolerant, indeed.

 

Alright, we have already been over this 4 times in this topic alone, and you simply refuse to understand the most simple of concepts. Please see above for the answers. Your examples are absolutely pathetic. Ethiopia was colonized and plundered constantly starting with the Arabs. Liberia is a country of former slaves with no high social structure to begin with, and manipulated like the rest of Africa. Ireland was definitely hurt by colonization, but they were still within the realm of the industrial technological age that Europe was in. This is all regarding the simple socioeconomic and geopolitical factors I was referring to before. Regardless of any kind of weird and misled racial ideology you have, geopolitical and socioeconomic concepts provide plenty of explanation for the status of these countries.

 

Are you referring to this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adal_Sultanate

Gee, wasn't that going way back?

You'd think they'd be able to get their acts together.

While, it's true Italy tried to colonize Ethiopia, they failed to.

Just like Nazi Germany tried to colonize France, the Netherlands, and Britain etc.

I suppose those countries couldn't get their acts together either?

 

While Liberia in the 19th century was free to build up a society, Ireland suffered the Irish Potato Famine, and they couldn't even own land.

Since then Liberia has stagnated, and Ireland has soared to be one of the top per capita income GDP countries in Europe.

I could point out that China even in the 1960's was poorer than Africa, but now has progressed nicely too.

It seems Africans just don't know how to build up better societies.

 

that is the major difference, in the 1970's the IQ of whites was higher because the corporations did not poison their foods with chemicals, preservatives, and GMO's to make more money..

today their IQ at least for the poorer half of whites has to be lower due to food poisoning.

 

You are a victim of logical fallacies. You cherry pick certain points and ignore the clear truth. I had already explained the difference of Ireland and African countries to you, they were in a completely different geopolitical situation. A lot has happened in between the Irish Potato famine and today in Ireland that you didn't care to mention, they simply just didn't magically bounce back because of race China has always been manipulated in the past, now they are simultaneously manipulated and invested in which is why it has been changing there since the 80s. Most other dirt poor Asian countries are still manipulated for resources and labor. I already explained that African economies are manipulated for resources and labor as opposed to being invested in. The situation will not change until they are released from economic bondage. It's amazing how some of you can take a simple economic condition and try twisting it into racial superiority, really odd.

 

So, basically meanie Whitey doesn't invest as much in Africa.

Well, why can't Africans produce wealth on their own without Whitey's intervention?

If Africa has produced worthwhile products, surely they'd build up their economies,.

But, that hasn't happened much, now has it?

But, that doesn't fit with their low IQ scores at all, sure.

 

Did it strike you that maybe White companies invest into countries which work hard, and take education seriously?

It just happens to be Whites, and East Asians fit that criteria,

Look at the PISA scores of nations like China, Poland, and Estonia, these modest income nations have been growing leaps, and bounds.

Pretty soon, the post Communist gap between China vs Japan, and Eastern Europe vs Western Europe will narrow down to nothing of these patterns continue

But, the gap between third World countries doesn't seem to be narrowing much at all.

How come?

You can look at how much has been invested into Mexico, and how it still flounders.

How come?

Mexico much like Africa, simply doesn't have the kind of productive companies building up like they should.

But, meanie Whitey's to blame. sure.

 

Again, this is simply a matter of you not understanding simple economics (maybe there is something wrong with your intelligence, either that or you are just an arrogant prick). Africans can and do produce wealth of their own, they produce labor and resources for low wages because of economic exploitation. This is the same exact thing that happened to Ireland when they were colonized by the English. This is the same thing that has and still is happening throughout many parts of Asia. If Ireland was located in Africa or Asia, even if they still had all white people, they would have been left in the dust with the other Africans and Asians. Ireland joined the United Kingdom and the industrial revolution spilled there (it took it a few extra years there). There are some exponential factors dealing with industry and finance that your mind is having trouble with, it's something you should learn about before making pseudo scientific claims. If only you could see how ridiculous you seem when you say things like ADHD and a few IQ points are what separates the successful countries and poor countries. Geopolitics, finance, and industry crush your explanation. Economics/Geopolitics/Technology is the same reason Eastern Europe is behind western Europe. It's not because Eastern Europe is genetically inferior to Western Europeans... what a joke. The only difference with Africans and Asians is their geopolitical situation was even worse than the Eastern Europeans. You know Irish and Polish used to be discriminated against in the same way you are trying to discriminate against blacks, it's pathetic.

You keep asking how come, and I keep telling you economics. Eastern Europe has already been through the industrial revolution, they just need to sort things out. Once it moves into Ghana, Ethiopia, and other African countries the same thing will happen. As long as these countries are kept in debt and held down financially for the purpose of getting cheap labor and resources it will not.

I knew you would eventually make the mistake of comparing a Latin American country to an African country. Latin American countries, though manipulated by the west, are not even close to being as impoverished as most African and Asian countries are. Again, you are showing your ignorance. Mexico/Brazil/Colombia/Chile/Peru/Argentina/etc are much further advanced than almost every African nation (they have a higher percentage of their people living on the equivalent of $10USD or more). Africa, by far, is the most manipulated place on earth. it's all about exploitation of resources by any means possible (financial manipulation, supporting corrupt regimes, etc).

Companies, white or not, will invest in regions they believe they can make money in. They certainly could do this in Africa, but sometimes they see even more convenient ways of making money. Investing in exploitation.

 

Japan was once about as poorer than Mexico, and about as poor as Ethiopia.

What made Japan into a developed nation is obvious.'

They have high IQ scores, and high PISA scores, that made for investment.

They built up they're own companies like Sony, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Nintendo, etc. etc.

The reasons why Mexico, and Ethiopia haven't become developed like Japan are also obvious.

They don't have low IQ scores, and low PISA scores.

They've hardly built up any worthwhile companies.

Not to deny socioeconomics factor in, but so does race, and intelligence.

 

Eastern Europe was kept back by Communism.

Actually African nations which were colonized have had more time under a Capitalist economy, than Eastern Europe has.

While Nigeria has had 26 more years under a free Capitalist system than Poland.

Nigeria has 140 million + more people than Poland too.

Poland has seen a massive increase in companies.

Polish company Solaris, Bus, and Couch one of the top bus manufacturing companies in Europe.

Polish company CD Projekt Red behind the Witcher video game series, one of the top rated, and top selling video games in the World.

Polish company Destructive Creations, behind one Hatred a top selling video game in the World.

Polish company Zortax behind top 3D printing, who even created the first 3D printing device in the World to be used to operate on veins.

Polish company Inglot cosmetics, behind some of the best color cosmetics in Europe.

Polish company Ammono behind the best Gallium Nitride in the World, used in blue laser production.

Polish company Izzy Bike, behind the first bike with virtually no chain.
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Polish company Vigo Systems, behind the infared sensors used on the Mars Curiosity Rover.

How come Nigeria with it's much larger population, and longer time in a Capitalist economy isn't producing companies like Poland has?

 

Polish are still routine victims of discrimination in America.

Yet, Polish Americans have incomes just short of double that of African Americans.

 

There is something wrong with you.
Japan: much more heavily invested in than Mexico.
Mexico: much more heavily invested in than Ethiopia

Already explained this all to you: geopolitics, socioeconomic situation, technological status. So you have a racial fixation, and a capitalism fixation? A capitalist country can be manipulated by foreign companies and governments just as a country with any other economic system can. Poland has generally been in a far better technological situation than any African country. A country with access to technology and skilled labor can bounce back from anything quickly. Once African country's economies stop being manipulated and get access to these 2 things they will be just like any other modern country. To argue this is nonsense.

Of course, but it is a much lesser degree than discrimination against blacks. Stop being a jackass. Many blacks in America have a higher standard of living and more education than many Eastern Europeans. Does this make blacks superior to them genetically? No, it is a socioeconomic/geopolitical/technological/financial issue.

Countries that are predominately black like Bahamas, Trinidad Tobago, and Antigua Barbuda have a higher standard of living than countries like Serbia, Iran, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Azerbaijan, Macedonia, Ukraine, Armenia, Bosnia Herzegovina, China, Thailand, India, and Bhutan. Has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with situation.

 

Why is a racist ruining the welcome thread of a poster? I mean... Isn't it enough that he spams regular threads with his racism?

Welcome to the forum Abram. You seem like an intelligent guy and I enjoy reading your posts.

 

^ Evasive response.