Solving climate crisis will require a total transformation of global energy

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  1. gfm7175

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    One fake data set that is riddled with math errors.
     
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    Because they are performing their jobs perfectly...

    They happen to be providing fake error-riddled data for the government to propagandize and instill fear porn amongst the gullible masses, which the government needs in order to tyrannically control the gullible masses.

    TLDR; it's all political.
     
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    Yeah, well, some people are totally ignorant about all-things science.

    Your typical global warming nutter doesn't even realize that Methane is measured in parts per billion (ppb) instead of parts per million (ppm).

    That's because it is impossible for Methane to exist in Earth's atmosphere in any quantity greater than parts per billion.

    Who on this forum would like to know why?

    It's called The Photo-Electric Effect.

    Photons, whether UV-A, UV-B, UV-C, hard/soft x-rays or hard/soft gammas rapidly break down Methane. So, anyone who even mentions Methane in the context of "climate change" is spewing Göbbels-style propaganda.

    That is patently false with respect to natural sciences like geology and climatology and all the others.

    Trends are observed over decades, not years.

    Why would they? It's decidedly racist.

    One purpose of the climate farce is to hamper people of color in their economic development.

    When a State enters the 2nd Level Economy (and even earlier in the 1st Level), there's a lot pollution produced. When did Americans get excited about pollution? After they became a mature 3rd Level Economy.

    The Chinese are in the 2nd Level Economy and Indians are just starting. Once they reach the 3rd Level, they will concern themselves with pollution and begin to address the marginal benefits versus the marginal costs, just like every developed-State, which are all advanced mature 4th Level Economies, have done.

    Rather than attempting to stymie the growth of undeveloped States like the US and Britain does, moving them as fast as possible into the 2nd Level Economy will get you a cleaner Earth faster.
     
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    To which the anti-fossil-fuel hate campaign is not exactly a stranger.
    The time scales of geology and climatology are different by literally orders of magnitude. We already know from the ~60-year ocean circulation cycle that climate trends can change in a few years: the up-trend that began in the early 20th century and lasted until the mid-1940s had reversed by the end of the decade.
    They are observed over decades, centuries, millennia, or even eons, but they always begin at an inflection point. See how that works?
     
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    Another white flag run up on renewables.
    Australian government needs coal subsidies to save grid from renewables subsidies
    In Australia, the subsidy bandaids are piling up.
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    We subsidized weather-controlling generators in the hope that our electrical infrastructure could not only provide electricity but would also stop storms, floods and The Taliban. However the weather-controlling-generators were also weather-dependent, and it was costing quite a lot to add storage, stability, transmission lines and synchronous condensors. Who knew changing global weather would cost so much?

    Once upon a time Australia had a full complete electricity grid that was cheap and efficient. Then we added inefficient things to it until we had two whole grids, one that changed the weather (in theory) and a spare one that filled in for all the other grids failures. For some reason it was not cheaper to run two whole grids rather than just one.

    The subsidies were needed to drive out the cheapest player (coal power), but having succeeded, we then needed different subsidies to keep the coal power in.

    What a tangled web we weave when first we lie to ourselves. . . .
     
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    Coal production and use is sharply up.
    Peak Coal?
    David Middleton
    Guest “Sometimes an annoying comment inspires a post,” by David Middleton If I had $1 for every time I’ve heard someone say, “coal is dead” or “coal use peaked in…
     
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    And yet no one can identify the specific year.

    They can't even identify the decade in which any of the 8 prior Glacial Periods or Inter-Glacial Periods started much less the century. Its +/- a few millennia.

    There's no start date for anything. It's simply trends that manifest over centuries/millennia.

    To suggest that Earth is warming by comparing a few years against the last 140 years is absurd, and even more so since it's compared against a cherry-picked time period, namely 1951-1980 when the Earth is known to have cooled by a few tenths of a degree Fahrenheit due to atmospheric nuclear weapons testing in order exaggerate the warming that isn't happening.

    It's equally absurd to suggest Earth is cooling based on anything current.

    Earth is 7.5°F to 15.3°F colder than all 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods.

    Sea levels are 4 meters to 13 meters lower than all 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods.

    That is science, but nobody wants to talk about it, because it doesn't fit the global warming nutter propaganda blitz.

    No one knows what Earth should be doing and anyone who thinks they do is not of sound mind.

    Since the Mid-Pleistocene Event 600,000 years ago, Glacial Periods tripled in length to as much as 120,000 years, and Inter-Glacial Periods nearly tripled in length to as much as 32,000 years.

    Anyone who thinks they have a clue as to when this Inter-Glacial Period will or should end is certifiably insane.

    And if global temperatures increase another 10°F and sea levels rise another 6 meters, the only scientific truth to behold his that this Inter-Glacial Period is perfectly normal.
     
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    Sure, because it doesn't happen the same everywhere at once. One dataset may say 2012 was the hottest year, another may say 2016, another may say 2014.
    See above. Plus you have the problem of digits of precision. 2015 CE +- 5y is a very different proposition from 2,000,015 BCE +- 5y
    The typical comparisons anti-fossil-fuel hate propaganda relies on are even more dishonest than that, as they take the end of the Little Ice Age -- the coldest 500y period in the last 10,000y -- as the basis of comparison just because it happened to coincide with the widespread increase in temperature data collection accompanying the Industrial and Scientific Revolutions.
    One can only use the present continuous tense to talk about things that are current.
    Source?
    Stick around. At least Jack, Tommy, Robert and I all want to talk about it.
    Someone will figure it out eventually.
     
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    I've posted those sources repeatedly just to prove that global warming nutters will dodge them because they don't say what they wanna hear.

    The sources are your own government, other governments like the Danish government, Nature and other highly respected periodicals who, oddly enough, regurgitate global-warming propaganda for fun but don't understand the articles they publish.

    Palaeo data suggest that Greenland must have been largely ice free during Marine Isotope Stage 11 (MIS-11). The globally averaged MIS-11 sea level is estimated to have reached between 6–13 m above that of today.

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16008

    “Even though the warm Eemian period was a period when the oceans were four to eight meters higher than today, the ice sheet in northwest Greenland was only a few hundred meters lower than the current level, which indicates that the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet was less than half the total sea-level rise during that period,” says Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Professor at the Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, and leader of the NEEM-project.


    [emphasis mine]

    https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/n...e-of-the-past/

    I can give you nearly 3 dozen articles published over the last 12 years that say the same thing.

    The only thing abnormal, unusual, or unprecedented is the fact that sea levels are at historic lows.

    Sea levels are at historic, unusual, abnormal and unprecedented lows, because global temperatures are at unusually, abnormally, and unprecedented lows.

    The highest CO2 level during an Inter-Glacial Period was 292 ppm. Five were between 270-280 ppm and the other two between 280-288 ppm.

    The point being even if humans still lived in caves and CO2 levels were 280 ppm, sea levels are gonna rise another 4-14 meters and temperatures another 7.5°F to 15.3°F and there ain't a ****** thing anybody can do about it.
     
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    That does not offer support for your claim that seal level was 6-13m above today's in all of the Pleistocene interglacials.
    That also does not offer any support for either of your claims.
    So, none of them support either of your claims. Check.
    That is clearly false, as both temperature and sea level were much lower during the glacial periods that characterized the Pleistocene.
    That is pure speculation.
     
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    Renewables can't carry the load.
    European Energy Prices set Records
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    By Andy May According to the Wall Street Journal yesterday, due to a rare lack of North Sea wind, already high European energy prices are climbing higher. “Gas and coal-fired…
     
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    The hits just keep on coming. Green energy is expensive energy.
    Record Power Prices & Blackouts Hit Germany
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    The sudden silence on this topic is unsurprising since the obvious is finally sinking in that Wind and Solar are unreliable power production sources for the grid and for economics.
     
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    This doesn't make sense.

    All those energy alternatives are advantageous for reasons beyond climate change.

    Electric transportation is an advantage simply due to the reduction in maintenance costs, let alone what it means to pollution.

    Clean energy is a rapidly growing segment of the world economy.

    And, climatologists the world over are not projecting cooling. They are projecting continued warming.
     
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    Clean energy has long been shown to be dirty as well, and the prices are skyrocketing so bad that the economy itself has begun to shut down in sections because "clean energy" failed due to a common wind drought causing soaring price hike.

    From Jo Nova,

    “Fossil Fuels are a strategic asset” say people watching UK and EU perfect gas storm
     
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    Your cite points to the Russians and the "perfect gas storm".

    And, NOBODY is suggesting that wind be the only source of energy. So, claiming it "failed" when the problem is actually Russia is 100% pure political BS.
     

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