Something For Atheists to Consider

There is no hypocrisy there...or you would have pointed it out.

The statement about two year old kids and atheists may seem an insult...but it is spot on.

Two year olds seem fascinated with the Easter Bunny...Santa Claus...the Tooth Fairy...and leprechauns. Among adults...there probably is no group who talk about those things more than atheists...especially when speaking with agnostics.

Sorry if that bothers you...but it most assuredly is so.

Anyway...answer my questions, if you can...and we can discuss the issues being raised here further.

 

It would seem you believe you know more about Atheists than Atheists do. One would hope you someday understand that every Atheists is a different and individual person who simply does not accept a God entity as reality. In fact most Atheists are Agnostic when push comes to shove, though there are obviously some who dismiss the possibility completely. Atheism is in many cases a reaction to disgust of organized religion and the ignorance it represents. You seem bent on claiming we all have minds as closed as the devout simply because we are not.

Sure.....a "God" may exist somewhere.....but it sure as hell isn't any of the thingys we silly humans made up.

 

My statement is that adult atheists speak about the Easter Bunny more than most other adults...just as two year old's speak about the Easter Bunny more than people who have attained age 10!

THEY DO!

As for atheist minds being as closed as "the devout"...well, most of "the devout" do not go to extremes...just as most atheists do not. But there is a sizable number of theists who go way out (making mind-numbing assertions about the REALITY)...just as there is a sizable number of atheists who also do.

I AM SAYING THIS:

Any theist who asserts that there IS a god...or who asserts that it is more probable that there is a god than that there are none...is working from "belief"...which is to say, they are guessing that way.

Likewise, any atheist who asserts that there ARE NO gods...or who asserts that it is more probable that there are no gods than that there is at least one...is just as surely working from "belief"...which is to say, they are guessing that way.

Yeah, I am taking a lot of heat from the atheists here...and I am disposed to send out some in return.

No strange thing for discussions on a contentious matter on the Internet...right?

 

I understand why you have to avoid the analogy frank. It makes your argument look absurd. You have no choice but to dodge and ignore it.

 

Your Best Friend is attempting to inject his own definition for the word "universe", without acknowledging that. He pretends his definition is the only one that is correct.

Yeah, I know...but that's all he's got.

 

I don't dodge anything.

If you want to talk about Easter Bunnies...go find a toddler or an atheist. They will be delighted to talk about them.

If you want to share your guesses about the true nature of the REALITY of existence...we can do that.

 

"""Likewise, any atheist who asserts that there ARE NO gods...or who asserts that it is more probable that there are no gods than that there is at least one...is just as surely working from "belief"...which is to say, they are guessing that way."""


How close minded to think there has to BE a "thing" for atheists not to believe in.


You contend that since some people invented something it's up to others to disprove it's existence (or have something to not believe)...that's bass ackwards....

 

lol, you are dodging the analogy frank. we both know why you need to do this.

see, this is a dodge. You have no choice but to avoid it because if you address it honestly, it shows how absurd your argument is.

I don't have any guesses to share. I am simply pointing out that based on the facts, the logical conclusion here is that it is more likely than not that a god or gods don't exist, just like the easter bunny.

 

Not like our universe is today
and that's been my constant point. But please go ahead and pretend like I haven't said this over and over and over again.

Whatever was there before there was time, space or anything else is anyone's guess but it's certain the universe we all reside in was not there until the moment of the big bang itself.

 

Yes and when ice turns to steam it's not like the ice it was before but it is still the same water.

 

There was no water, ice or steam before the big bang. Science says there was nothing! Certainly there was nothing we would call our "universe".

Go ahead and prove me wrong...prove science wrong. Are you afraid to admit the universe was created in the euphemistic blink of an eye?
Because it implies creation and creation need a creator? I'd sure hate to be in that box.

 

I certainly do not think that.

There POSSIBLY is something that "created" this thing we call "the universe."

Just how close-minded does one have to be in order not to acknowledge that...or to suggest that it is not possible...which many atheists do?

In fact, just how close-minded does one have to be in order to ASSERT that it is more probable one way or the other...when there appears to be no way to measure the probability for either direction in order to make such a comparison?

Most theists and atheists are the close-minded people, Fox. Neither should be questioning the open-mindedness of others.

I defy you to find anywhere here...or in any other forum in which I have participated...or in any of the many op ed pieces I have written through the years on this topic...where I ask anyone to "disprove" anything of that sort.

If you, however, without a challenge from me, want to show it unlikely that THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A CREATOR...

...have a go. (I doubt you will attempt it, though.)

Your problem apparently is your BELIEFS, Fox. You BELIEVE that there are no gods...and you resent anyone suggesting even the possibility.

Tough!

 

It's impossible for there to have been "nothing" because the Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy says that matter/energy can be neither created nor destroyed.

Our universe is made up of various forms of matter and energy. If matter/energy existed prior to the Big Bang, then yes, our universe existed.

If you are going to continue to assert that this "nothing" existed then you need to provide evidence for "nothing".

 

I do not dodge anything...and I suspect you know that. I'll be here for ya, Rahl...for as long as this takes.

It is not a dodge...and there is no way you will ever show my arguments to be absurd...because they are not.

But I want to remind you that if it is necessary for your personal happiness to consider my posts on this issue to be absurd...have a ball. I know they are not, but I want you to be happy no matter what it takes.

You are awash in guesses...BLIND GUESSES. You seem to revel in them. And I enjoy the humor that provides.

I especially like the BLIND GUESS that it is more likely that gods don't exist...than that they do. I enjoy the BLIND GUESS from the other side that it is more likely that at least one does...than that none do.

And the especially funny part of all that is: You are both using the same pretend "facts" the same "evidence"...and both applying the same pretend logic, reason, science, and math.

At times, this place is better than a comedy club.

 

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