South Africa to change constitution to legalize taking away white farmers' land

If you want to go that way then both the modern British and French should also be made to repay what they profited from raping people all over the globe. But this will never happen as it would be an injustice toward people who had no say in the matter.

SA blacks have been in power for a while now with more and more corruption as the years rolls by. Every change of government brings another layer of it. I give SA 10 years at most before one proclaims himself leader for life and start executing opponents in the street. Nowhere in Africa can you find a working government that isn't some form of despotism under a thin veneer of democracy.

 

The picture showed these thieving, Black South African marauders for exactly what they are -- a scourge of real-world "Orcs" in our world of 2018. If it's 'racist' then I would ask, "Which race is it that is pushing these totalitarian measures forward to threaten White South Africans with violence and confiscation?"

Here's their "Führer", Cyril Ramaphosa:

. . -- "Uh, yeah... looks kinda BLACK to me...."

 

Not necessarily.

Okay.

What makes you think South Africa will return to a "state of nature?" No African country has done that.

 

The racist part of the meme is that it's comparing whites "the age of man" with blacks "the time of the orc has come." Basically, it's saying Whites: human / Blacks: non human.

Now I appreciate a good Tolkien meme as much as anyone. They were wonderfully fresh when they first started popping out after terrorist attacks. But this isn't the same thing.

 

What did I say that wasn't true?

They were still in the stone age when explorers first discovered them.

Subsaharan Africa is still in the stone ages in many ways.

 

I don't have the answer to the question I asked. We're still debating what the country owes, or may owe, to blacks and Native Americans.

There's no doubt the SA government is increasingly corrupt. I'm not sure we can predict the outcome.

 

So, SA is going to turn into another Zimbabwe.
Great! Last more or less normal African country is about to flush itself down the toilet.

 

You are in denial.

 

Fine. Much of Africa was primitive.

Whatever "in many ways" means. I suggest you might drop down to the street level using Google maps in some of those countries. They're not going back to the Stone Age.

 

I hope they scrap all their equipment, mass sell off the animals to parties outside of South Africa and burn their fields and see how they like trying to farm seriously its a highly skilled trade to do it well take time and often a college degree for any modern farm they are going to have a severe drop in food production for a long time.

 

Ain't it a bitch when a group of people takes land from the inhabitants of the land?
How much did the Europeans pay the Africans when they took their land?

 

Yes the Europeans did take land that did not belong to them because they based their ideas on Darwinism and Rhodesian white supremacy..

 

Sure they did.

I tell you what, let's compromise.

Western countries completely pull out of Africa in toto. No more evil white companies, no more evil white doctors, no more evil white construction teams.....nothing.

Let's let them take care of themselves. I'm sure they're up to it.

 

They are not making any money right now anyway..With the whites there..

 

Africa is still primitive.

Sure, thanks to culturally appropriating things the west created.

 

The richest man that ever lived was African.

You know what he did with all of it?

Nothing.

 

So the wealth of this man is in limbo?

 

No, it's all still in Africa.

They just can't be bothered either.

 

Returning to a 'state of nature' was hyperbole. It will probably become an African-average state: the ruling kleptocrats will see to it that there is at least one functioning hospital in the capital city (for them), and the usual veneer of modernity for the elite maintained, probably, by Chinese technicians.

Which brings up an interesting point: Africa is pretty well resourced, and the Chinese are moving in to take advantage of those resources. They aren't subject to white guilt, or guilt of any sort, and, I'm quite sure, have a perfectly accurate understanding of the population there. How will they deal with the situation?

You say that had the whites not arrived, Africa might have developed. I wouldn't rule it out absolutely, but would just point out that 'development' before post-Enlightenment/post-Industrial Revolution European intervention always came to a stop (including in Europe). We've seen people taking the path to high civilization in several place around the globe -- Peru and Central America (until the Spanish destroyed them), China, India, Persia, the Arab World, the Greeks and Romans ... and it always ended in stagnation.

For some reason -- the 'killer aps' of Neil Ferguson? -- it didn't happen to the Europeans this time around, and they then (involuntarily) spread it around the globe. But it's much easier to assimilate whatever it is that makes up modernity, if you already had a high culture at one point, as in China, India, Japan, Vietnam, Persia, the Arabs ... starting from near scratch, as in Africa, or for the indigenous peoples of Australia and Polynesia, or North America ... seems to be impossible. The best you can hope for there is to be dragged along in the wake of the more advanced people -- if they are benevolent they make you work for them; if they want to destroy you, they put you on welfare.

The question will be: will Africa modernize despite everything? We have to hope that it will. We can fantasize about the ideal UN program to develop Africa -- starting with real schools where the teachers actually show up to teach -- but that's unlikely to happen. So it will be up to the Chinese.

 

If the SA government is "increasingly corrupt", the outcome is also increasingly predictable. Back to "banana republic" is the only logical way, from being the only 2nd world country on the continent to be one of the 3rd world countries.

 

Do point out a successful, self-governed black-majority 1st world country.

Or a 2nd world country. Forgive me, but all black countries are banana republics. We can now debate, who's fault is that.

 

So you believe an INFLAMMATORY Russian source and never even bothered to VERIFY this before launching into another baseless vacuous tirade?

That puts you in the AWKWARD position of having to reconcile your disingenuous disparaging terminology with the ACTUAL REALITY of what Ramaphosa said.

https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2018/08/01/anc-land-cyril-actually-said

We should be so lucky here in America to have both the executive and legislative branches doing this much to redress income inequality, repair our infrastructure and support for entrepreneurship, training and employment.

Going to be hard to walk back on your own OP now but the HARD FACTS do NOT support any of what you just posted.

The smart move would be to just admit that you were duped by an alt right red meat source like RT because they triggered your own confirmation bias.

 

I cannot point to that which does not exist. Tribal mentality is not conducive to cooperation and economic success.

 

Not this time, Te -- your clumsy attempt to defend this 'Black Hitler' you evidently admire so much falls flat if you read what appears clearly in his statement! Did you read actually it? Here are Ramaphosa's own words from the very "announcement" you provided (emphasis mine in red):

"It has become patently clear that our people (?) want the Constitution to be more explicit about expropriation of land without compensation, as demonstrated in the public hearings.

There is also a growing body of opinion, by a number of South Africans (?), that the constitution as it stands does not impede expropriation of land without compensation."

"Accordingly, the ANC will, through the parliamentary process, finalise a proposed amendment to the Constitution that outlines more clearly the conditions under which expropriation of land without compensation can be affected." The word he wanted was "effected", but ORGANIZED THEFT, not language skills, are evidently the man's strong-suit.

When Hitler went before the German Congress of his day and asked for an "Enabling Act" to their constitution, for the good of Germany (of course!), there was some doubt about what it might actually entail, but the Bundestag gave it to Hitler anyway. That supposed "good of Germany" sure as hell was not (NOT) good for ALL Germans -- especially those German Jews whose families had been good German citizens for many generations! Ramaphosa's land grab will have essentially the same affect (the correct usage of the word) on WHITE South Africans....

With Ramaphosa, there is NO doubt whatever about what today's 'Black Hitler' is going to achieve, specifically -- the deliberate, strong-armed confiscation without compensation of property owned by White South Africans!

Too bad, Te. I'm only repeating Ramaphosa's own words which you so kindly have made available to us.

. "Hell, I could never get away with this if I WASN'T Black!"

 

It will be a great shame, if this results in driving out the whites and Asians. [I would have gotten out 25 years ago myself. But miracles sometimes happen.]

Nelson Mandela was an extraordinary man -- certainly one of the top 25 of the 20th Century -- and, with the wise guidance of the South African Communist Party (I'm not being sarcastic here) -- the ANC were not deeply racialist, unlike some of the other Black groups in South Africa. People who cared about Africa hoped that it would escape the usual degeneration into tribalist kleptocracy, and be the industrial locomotive that would pull the rest of Black Africa forward.

Land reform in and of itself is not necessarily a bad idea. Many countries have experienced it, with and without compensation. The United States has generally supported it in the Third World, contrary to what many Leftists believe, because societies where most of the productive land is held by a tiny minority tend to be ripe for Communism. So land reform, properly carried out, is actually a conservatizing, stabilizing step.

Let's hope that Ramaphosa is talking tough to undercut the competition to his Left, and will not kill the goose that keeps the electricity running.

Those who are interested in an insider view of South Africa should consult the writings in the London Review of Books of RW Johnson. (The link -- his underscored name -- has links in turn to his contributors' page in that publication.)