"Space Force all the way!"

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said the weather man is running the operation. He is providing information and it is up to the army to decide what to do with that information. However, the army is not satisfied with just the weather. They want to know how the weather is affecting their operation.
    You said it was the engineers who would determine tractionability, not the weatherman. However, it is the weatherman who is expected to posses this knowledge on a day to day basis. Can the Army move their equipment across an open field in Fulda Gap or are they going to get mired down after a half dozen tanks stir up the soil?

    So lets wind this up. The Air Force personnel is put in an unfamiliar environment. The Army expects them to have capability that they do not possess. It takes considerable time to acquire this expertise.

    The same thing is going to happen with the space command. If they stay with the Air Force, there will be personnel moving in and out that specialty area. The Air Force tends to move their people around so that they can go anywhere and fit in.

    There will be a learning curve that will be minimized, if it ends up being a separate service.

    There are only so many ways I can say this same thing.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dude, do I really need to requote your post again?

    Agreed, the weather guesses is providing information. It's up to the command to decide what to do with that information.

    As for engineers, I said this:
    Spin it however you like.
     
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    Sad to say that our only defense is our filth..
     
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    You are making something difficult out of something very simple. The commanding general wants to know what is going to happen today and tomorrow, not what he was going to get from Aberdeen when the tank was being designed..

    For example, the weather man says we expect about an inch of rain in the next twenty four hours. The next question out of General Polk would have been, "How does that affect the movement of my armor?" "Can I get from here to there?" Even though the weather man is expected to possess that expertise, he generally does not. However, if he had been in the Army for ten years with experience in armor, he might likely know that answer.

    You will get that same lack of familiarity when you move Air Force personnel in and out of the space command.
     
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    Yeah, but don't tell the Klingons.
     
  6. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dude, scroll up. You may want to consider your own words:
     
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    I still believe this is true. You may know helicopters, but do you fully understand the effects of weather on tractionablty? The Air Force weather man will possess some knowledge, but it is still short of the Army's needs. Only after long experience will that experience be gained. The Air Force weather man will probably spend around three years with the Army and then move on. Similarly, the Air Force personnel will spend a short amount of time in the Space Command and move on. They need people who are there for their entire career.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, I told you what I did in the service but you keep hiding yours....or did I miss it?

    Sorry, dude, but I've dealt with weather men since 1976 and continue to do so to this date. I've never met one who can tell me about "tractionability" on different terrain.
     
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    That is pretty much the point. However, they are thrust into a situation where they are expected to have that knowledge.

    But lets stick to the real issue. Will we get the best qualified people by running Air Force people in and out of the space command as opposed to keeping them in that service? So far you have not discounted my point that we will have better qualified personnel by keeping them in the space command rather than rotating them in and out.

    I spent twenty years in the Air Force with a large variety of assignments, In addition to my share of medals and decorations I earned a Vietnam Service Medal with three oak leaf clusters. . That is about all you will learn.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the "info". Odd that you avoid specifying your actual jobs. However, if you want to hide it or just keep it private, that's your choice.

    As for the USSF, it will be a different service if Trump gets his way. No running in and out.
     
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    That would be an advantage.
     

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