Standards lowered to produce first female Green Beret.....

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  1. JakeJ

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    Military standards are not set to give the positions to the strongest and fastest. They are written to exclude women, but allow all men including inferior men to qualify for the purpose of racial equality being more important for PCism than military considerations.
     
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    Wow, you are really into this chick. She should (but probably doesn't) appreciate having such a loyal beta orbiter as you. Or....maybe she really is Wonder Woman; I don't know. What I do know is that you have no real knowledge about what you're talking about and your entire argument is based on your feelings for Wonder Woman.
     
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    She is wonder woman. I'm rather confident that she could beat the crap out of your Army son. There is a chance your son could run faster fleeing from her - maybe. I know more than just that women in the military. Many people. Most were or are people who actually kill enemy. The kind that sign up for and volunteer for combat. To hunt, kill, human enemy. Far more interesting and challenging than killing hogs.

    Or make it about my children, 3 of military service. If your son was at our house during a reunion and made your sneering about inferior women, it would go like this:
    One of my sons, smiling: "Hey sis, he might have a point. Why don't you two go outside and let's see."
    Daughter, standing to your son:" Let's go."

    If you son remained seated, a couple of my sons would take each of his arms taking him out the door. You son would have 2 choices. He can probably be beaten into the dirt repeatedly - but she wouldn't kill him though he may not be having any (more) children either - or make run for his car while we laugh. Running fast should be a priority skill for cowards, and lacking muscle mass if they stay thin but run alot for leg muscles to their light weight probably is the way for cowards to go for personal defense - developing fleeing skills.

    Ever hear the song with the line:
    "I live back in the woods you see,
    My woman and the kids and the dogs and me.
    A country boy can survive.
    Country folk can survive."


    That's me. Us.

    In reality, we are fairly uncivilized when it comes to insults and physical challenges. Old fashioned too. Us men tend to not care for men who run women down. By my experience - which is extensive - I've found that most men who run down women are cowards.
     
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    Yes I can see from your posts in this thread how non civilized you are. An interesting description of your sons beating my son. That merely goes to my point that this is a personal, rather than policy issue for you. As I've pointed out before, you're irrational on this topic and have brought nothing to the discussion.
     
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    I did not rant. And you still have not validated your claims.

    And I doubt you ever will. Instead, you rant, and then scream and yell that others are ranting.
     
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    You would be surprised how many of those 500 former high school football players would be rejected from serving for bad knees, bad backs and bone spurs in the feet.

    I was back in 69 when I found out how many who played on my high school football team were classified as 4-F.

    There are many in the Army's Officers Corps today who have been advocating that the Army should follow suit like the Marine Corps, that every Marine is a rifleman first.

    During WW ll during the Battle of the Bulge every POG found himself being a grunt.

    During the Tet Offense of 1968, every soldier, Marine, sailor and airman who was a POG found themselves being grunts.

    In 2003 in Iraq the 507th Maintenance Company found themselves not being properly trained to fight as grunts.

    Not cowards...just married.

    One thing we noticed in Vietnam, you could hear Charley dropping rounds down the mortar tubes from over a mile away giving you maybe 15 to 20 seconds to find cover in a trench or bunker.

    You could always tell which Marines were married. They ran faster than those who weren't married.
     
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    Read it again. It would be my daughter beating your son. My sons would just keep him from hiding in our house taking him outside. My daughter versus you son. May the best one win. Unless your son has a couple of MMA medals, it wouldn't be him.
     
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    I noted on a related thread that I oppose lowering standards to accomplish ANY goal. There were no women included in any of my military training courses which included paratrooper training (aka "Jump School") many decades ago.

    To build an effective military it would seem that we should learn from other effective militaries.

    Few can argue that Germany's WW2 military was among the best. From battle to battle, they were rarely defeated except when facing vastly superior numbers and lacking crucial air support.
    While women rarely served in a combat capacity, Germany's military became possibly the most ethnically diverse military in the war:

    "The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans." (see below)




    "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"

    Veronica Clark

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis.

    Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind.

    The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans.

    At least two million non-German foreigners and ethnic minorities served in Hitler’s armed forces at one point or another. Without foreign and non-German help, the Germans never would have had their Western defenses prepared in time for the Allied invasion. Let us think about two things here.

    Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was the most culturally, ethnically, and religiously diverse military force in Western history. In spite of this fact, we are all supposed to believe he was a hyper-racist (my own term) like some other Nazis."CONTINUED
     
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    :roflol:

    I agree that with rare exception for certainly truly specialized super geeks (who might even have physical disabilities), EVERYONE who MIGHT ever be in a combat potential area should be combat trained, certainly rifle and sidearm trained. Not that long ago the AF adopted a minimum of rifle and patrol training unwilling to continue to solely rely on Army and Marines for defense. However, the training is very minimal and in my opinion deficient. All pilots and aircrews should be SERIOUSLY trained in combat skills.

    Personally, I think at least 90% of those in the military should qualify as marksmen, which isn't that difficult. Again, super teckies and geeks who will never be anywhere near combat could be the exception.
     
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    I was told the primary reason Germans in WW2 were so effective was due to unit cohesion and the ability to operate independently from higher command. A German squad could operate on its own decisions, not needing authorization. The USA military was very much run from the top down, orders coming from officers who weren't even in the fight.
    It was when Hitler began ignoring his Generals and his only have grand plans on the huge scale was the German military crippled. This was so understood that when the British did get opportunity to assassinate Hitler at the "Wolf's Lair" retreat he had, British sniper team having gotten in wearing SS uniforms, they were ordered to stand down. If they assassinated Hitler they'd then again be fighting the German military under German military command. Hitler had become a fool and maniac. They decided they wanted him to remain in command because Hitler had become irrational and lost in delusions.

    Germany would have defeated Stalingrad but for Russian women in combat. Had Germans overrun Stalingrad and with that army intact too, WW2 would have taken a very different path. Stalingrad was the turning point in the war. It would have been a turning point if the Germans had won it too.

    IF physical abilities is decisive, then it should NOT be on reaching a minimal standard, but upon the highest standards. The reason that is not done is because overwhelmingly blacks would prevail over white or Latino men.

    Why is it "don't lower physical standards" but also "definitely don't have the highest physical standards?"
     
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    WAR DEPARTMENT TECHNICAL MANUAL
    TM-E 30-451




    HANDBOOK ON GERMAN MILITARY FORCES
    WAR DEPARTMENT • 15 MARCH 1945





    RESTRICTED. DISSEMINATION OF RESTRICTED MATTER.--The information contained in restricted documents and the essential characteristics of restricted material may be given to any person known to be in the service of the United States and to persons of undoubted loyalty and discretion who are cooperating in Government work, but will not be communicated to the public or to the press except by authorized military public relations agencies.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/index.html
     
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    You're right on several counts.

    One of the times that Hitler ignored his Generals was inspired by his motivation to make peace with England & the US. That was when he ordered his Generals to "Stand Down" rather than wipe out the Allied armies at Dunkirk. Soon after, he is believed to have sent Rudolph Hess with a peace proposal that could have saved millions of lives, however Churchill refused to look at it & its contents remain sealed for another 20 years.(1)

    Beginning in 1933, Hitler proposed almost 10 peace plans which were immediately rejected by England, France, etc(2)

    You're right about Hitler's diminished mental state toward the end of the war. His drug addiction was destroying him & the rest of Germany(3) The degree to which both the Allies and the Germans relied on Pervitin & similar drugs remains an interesting factor of the war.
    As you know, WW2 wasn't the only war in which drugs have been used by combatants to enhance performance.

    I wonder to what degree if any it is used in today's US Military


    (1)"Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
    http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

    EXCERPT "A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED


    (2) "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"
    https://www.amazon.com/What-World-Rejected-Hitlers-1933-1940-ebook/dp/B00M5K8OEM


    (3) "High Hitler: How drugs fuelled the Nazi war machine"
    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/...-drugs-fuelled-the-nazi-war-machine-1.2859461
    EXCERPT "Soon Hitler was perpetually wired on a bewildering array of uppers and downers – including cocaine, the drug denounced by Nazi ideology as a Jewish vice. Morell struggled to find an intact vein to hit in the addict Führer’s track-marked arms. Hitler developed a bad case of the shakes.

    There, rattled by years of drug use and the probable onset of withdrawal, Hitler hit nihilistic rock bottom by ordering the total destruction of Germany; when he shot himself in the head it was with a hand that shook so badly he feared for his ability to hit the target.

    In the invasion of Poland alone 35 million doses of Pervitin were consumed by German troops, who were commanded to push ahead for days on end without sleep. One medical historian reckons that “Blitzkrieg was guided by metamphetamine”."CONTINUED
     
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    The future of the US military belongs to technology, super geeks and teckies, not rifle companies, ground special ops and recon missions. Marines, Infantry etc will more be dedicated to policing work and defensive roles for bases and facilities.

    Why send out recog when drones and satellites have vastly greater sensory abilities? Why send in a sniper team when the person(s) can be killed from a hundred or thousands of miles away?

    Not to minimize the devotion, effort, skill or even need for combat "grunt" (used generically and not as an insult), more people try to enlist for those positions than the military has spots for. Virtually any excuse is given to reject an enlistee, mostly just to reduce the numbers. What the military desperately needs, and will waive virtual all standards to have, are super geeks or even just highly intelligent people of proven ability to use that intelligence academically for extremely intense military technical training - and THAT is where standards are high, very high.

    To be given a 300 page highly technical manual, stating they have 3 weeks to pass a test on it. Fail? You are literally booted out of the military. To tell 50 at a certain level that 60 days from now, based on testing, 25 of you will be booted out.

    While a Marine is a Marine is an Marine, a Ranger is a Ranger etc, - probably having to meet lower standards than 30 years ago, the growing number of technical people and geeks needed also is raising the standards of those exponentially, such as technology grows exponentially.

    In short, while the Marine commander frets about Marine quality and an infantry commander frets about the infantry, what so many ex-military of Vietnam era and even those in "grunt" positions now do not grasp is they are no longer the priority. The priority is technology and technology proficiency of ever increasing difficulty, diversity and complexity.

    Which is the greater problem? We do not have ready Marine units and rifle companies? Or over half our military aircraft can't fly for lack of qualified maintainers and teckies? Which is the greater danger? A potential enemy has superior rifle companies? Or a potential enemy has technologically superior state-of-the-art weapons, computer technology, aircraft/drones and/or surveillance?

    Time to time, the geeks and the ground forces may find a co=dependency and within a combat zone. For such super geeks and teckies, do they need combat training? Is it wise that they and the combat troops see each other as "us," rather than "us and them?"

    Increasingly, these teckies and super geeks are female. Increasingly, these teckies and super geeks are males who are physically inferior. So the result of the most vulnerable in battle being physically inferior is to deny them the same level of training, when they probably need it the most? To blow them out for failing to meet some arbitrary standard, eliminating any training?

    That seems the reasoning of most men on this thread. But they will lose, just like the lost opposition to an integrated military. Just like they lost on gays in the military. Is it really PCism? Or is it that the military's focus increasingly is on technology and brains, not rifles and brawn? The fact is that it is the later - and nearly all in upper command - UNLESS their area is over rifle companies and ground force grunts - knows it.
     
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    Other than maybe not developing the atom bomb and not developing long range heavy bombers, probably Hitler's greatest mistake was not announcing to Ukrainians "join us and I'll set you free of Stalin!" Had he done so, well over a million Ukrainians troops would have switched sides and the Russian Civil War would have overall re-ignited.

    It was the plan of the plotters against Hitler to surrender to the Allies upon the Normandy landing, pulling all those troops back to Germany's Western front even if the allies refused to accept a one-sided surrender to fight a more defensible home front war, while diverting all efforts to stopping Russia destroying Germany. That is the REAL reason the German tank units and most troops were not thrown into repelling the invasion. Those tanks and troops were to instead held back to overthrow the SS after Hitler killed and then to implement that plan. Even if the USA and Britain refused, a home front defense was far more rational than continuing to have troops trying to control and occupy all of Western Europe. The American public may not support the Western front much anymore, demanding we shift focus to the Pacific theater, particularly if the new German government announced it no longer was an ally of Japan.

    The US military is very strict in terms of drug usage. I do know a VERY popular "drug" for ground forces in Afghanistan is caffeine. To those over there I support because of personal connections, I send cases of Red Bull and 1 ounce 5 Hour Energy bottles - both heavy in caffeine. Though prohibited technically, they are always allowed. I didn't send pure caffeine powder or doctor up the little bottles with more caffeine to avoid dangerous or lethal caffeine ODing or severe caffeine addiction. They needed to stay awake, but not frenzy wired up. They do not blood test for caffeine since it is in coffee, Coke etc.

    They use the Red Bull for bartering, but keep the little 5 Hour Energy bottles they can hide in their pockets for themselves. Standing a post can be incredibly boring and staying awake and alert a real challenge. Another thing appreciated is a battery operated electric razor.
     
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    The Marine squad leader I mentioned said that actually taught him about WW2 German squad practices and tactics. What he took from that was as squad leader HE was in charge and out in the field HE was the final authority, regardless of policies, rules and orders. I've mentioned before that when out of sight on a patrol or mission they'd ditch any weight or bulk they felt not necessary - and took off their Kevlar gloves. How the hell do you shoot fast and well with those on? They weren't a bomb patrol and if an IED were to go off their hands were not their real worry. The goal? KILL the enemy. Shoot them dead. That's the BEST way to be safe.
     
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    Now for some factual reality.

    The Germans did not accept any who were not "Ethnically pure" into their military. No Slavs, Jews, Blacks, or others who were not Aryan were allowed (there was an exemption for the Japanese and their direct subjects, based upon certain findings).

    The "Blacks, Slavs, Asians, Arabs" and others were not serving Germany. They were serving the armies of other nations, most specifically Italy. Italy had quite a few blacks in their military, but they also did not have the insane racial laws that Germany imposed. The same with many of their conquered territories, which had their own National Socialist governments, but were not Nazi governments.

    They avoided this also by creating special organizations, like the Free Arabian Legion. Nominally under the command of the Wehrmacht, it was an axillary organization that was intended to fight against the Allies in Africa and the Middle East. But the defeat in that area caused the Germans to withdraw them as well. They were then dropped into Greece to fight the anti-Fascists there and largely ignored and forgotten. The FAL was intended to liberate Syria and Iraq from British control, then act as the backbone of a new government and military. It was never intended to be a part of the German Army itself.
     
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    Germans also made exception in terms of condemnations on race for Arabs and Persians.

    German policies on race SEVERELY handicapped Germany in its Russian campaign. There were Ukrainians, even to the level of generals and entire units, that switched to the German side. But Germany essentially didn't use them except for occupation policing actions.

    Excepts were made only as necessary. For example, one of Hitler's most trusted SS bodyguards was Jewish. There were attempts to have hi removed and Hitler wouldn't do it. The same with some Jewish scientists and in business, who were left alone until the very end. However, this was rare and by pragmatic necessity, not generally.
     
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    I did make my point - and your messages make my point as well, ie "document" my claim.
     
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    Again, my daughter, not sons.

    This is a PS. If your son shares your view you should try to convince him to keep it to himself in the military. Yes, many other men will agree and join in the joking. But it could really bite him in the ass in the long run. Like it or not, right or wrong, across the entire military and civilian structure this issue is not going your way. If it gets in his file a report of him making disparaging remarks about women in military service he can forget about any potential for a substantive military career, no different than his file had a report of making disparaging remarks about blacks in the military.
    Women in relation to the military are where blacks were many decades ago.
     
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    We had the same procedure 47 hears ago, when out in the bush and were going to go on the offense in pursuit of Charley we would dump our rucksacks. As Marines were were never allowed to remove our flak jackets. But it wasn't uncommon for American soldiers (Army) to dump their flak jackets.

    The link I provided above has one chapter on the German infantry tactics used and they differed some what from American and British infantry tactics.

    With the Americans the machine gun supported the rifleman. In the German army the rifleman supported the machine gun.

    Not surprising all of my uncles who served in the Army in Europe during WW ll who were wounded in action were wounded by German machine gun fire.
     
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    VERY interesting! I do remember the German machine gun (can't remember what they called it, I think something like a "saw" for how it sounded) was greatly feared producing a great number of casualties. I also seem to remember in WW1 it was the Germans who first realized cross firing a machine gun is far more effective than straight on shooting against an advancing unit. I watched a video of why that works using ballons instead of troops. In cross firing it puts the attackers more closely grouped. As a secondary matter, it also gave the attackers 3 targets - not 1 - the enemy they were charging and the two machine gun units off to each side. The closer the charging attackers got, relatively the closely grouped the attackers were to cross or side firing. Simple geometry.
     
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    If the Blacks, Slavs, Frenchmen, Asians, Arabs were wearing German uniforms, carrying German weapons, marching under the 3rd Reich's Flag & fighting Germany's enemies, who else were they serving except Germany?

    Germany's Nuremberg Racial Laws were subject to many changes & exceptions during the course of the war just as Hitler's views about Jews changed to the point of awarding WW1 Jewish Veterans in Palestine medals(1)

    Additionally as many as 150,000 mixed & Full Jews served in Germany's military with some of them reaching the highest ranks & receiving some of the highest decorations from Hitler(2).
    Those are the facts no matter how inconvenient they may be.

    Once you've read the entire article you'll understand the facts a little better:

    "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"

    Veronica Clark

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102



    (1) "When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.602868

    EXCERPT "The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine."CONTINUED


    (2) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587


    EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED
     
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    APPLICATION OF FIRE

    The potential firepower of the 13-man squad with all members firing is conservatively estimated at 400 well-aimed shots. The following terms are used when discussing application of fire:

    1. Neutralize. To render enemy personnel incapable of interfering with a particular operation.
    2. Fire Support. Fire delivered by a unit to assist or protect another unit in combat.
    3. Target of Opportunity. A target which appears in combat, within range, and against which fire has not been planned /li>
    TYPES OF UNIT FIRE
    1. General
      1. The size and nature of a target may call for the firepower of the entire fire unit or only parts of it. The type of target suggests the type of unit fire to be employed against it. The squad leader receives his orders from the platoon leader who usually designates a specific target or targets. It is usually desirable for each squad to cover the entire platoon target to ensure adequate coverage.
      2. A fire team distributes its fire as designated by the squad leader. Normally, the squad leader orders a fire team leader to limit the fire of his team to a sector of the squad target, to engage a separate target, or to shift to a target of opportunity.
    2. Concentrated Fire[​IMG]
      Concentrated fire is fire delivered from a deployed unit at a single point target. A large volume of fire delivered at the target from different directions, causes the beaten zones of the various weapons to meet and overlap giving maximum coverage of the target. An enemy automatic weapon that has gained fire superiority over an element of a particular unit, can often be neutralized by concentrated fire from the remaining elements which are not under direct fire.

    3. Distributed Fire[​IMG]
      1. Distributed fire is fire spread in width and/or depth to keep all parts of the target under fire. Each rifleman and assistant automatic rifleman fires his first shot on that portion of the target that corresponds to his position in the squad. He then distributes his remaining shots over the remainder of the target, covering that portion of the target on which he can deliver accurate fire without changing his position.
      2. The fire team leader/grenadier fires the first round from his grenade launcher at the center of the mass of the target. He then distributes grenades over the remaining target area.
      3. In the offense, the automatic riflemen cover the entire squad target. In the defense, the automatic riflemen cover their respective fire team's sector of fire.
      4. Distributed fire permits fire unit leaders to place the fire of their units on target so that the enemy, whether visible or not, is kept under fire. Distributed fire is the quickest and most effective method of ensuring that all parts of the target are brought under fire. When it becomes necessary to engage other targets, the squad leader shifts the fire of one or two fire teams as required.
    4. Combinations of Concentrated and Distributed Fire[​IMG][​IMG]
      The fire team organization of the Marine rifle squad permits the squad leader to combine both concentrated and distributed fire in engaging two or more targets at the same time. As an example, the squad leader of a squad delivering distributed fire on a target could shift the fire of one or two fire teams to engage a target of opportunity with concentrated fire. Whether a fire unit (squad or fire team) delivers concentrated or distributed fire is determined by the target description element of the fire command. If the target description indicates a point target (i.e., machine gun, sniper, etc.) the fire unit will fire concentrated fire. If the target description indicates an area target (i.e., squad in open or dug in, or a target which the squad leader has marked the flanks), the fire unit will fire distributed fire. By assigning his fire teams fire missions using fire commands, the squad leader regulates the volume, density, and coverage of his squad's fire.
    FIRE DELIVERY
    1. Requirements of Position
      In occupyinga firing position, squads are located to satisfy the following requirements:
      • Be capable of delivering desired fire support
      • Possess good fields of fire to the front
      • Have adequate cover and concealment
      • Permit fire control by the fire unit leader
    2. In the Attack
      1. Base of Fire. A base of fire covers and protects the advance of maneuvering units with its fire. Whenever possible, the fire unit that is to establish the base of fire moves undetected into a firing position. A high volume of surprise fire from an unexpected direction has a much greater psychological and physical effect than fire delivered from a known position. The leader of the unit establishing the base of fire makes every effort to select a position that allows flanking or oblique fire to be delivered into the enemy position. When the base of fire unit is in position, the following usually takes place:
        1. A heavy volume of distributed fire is placed on the enemy position to gain fire superiority.
        2. When fire superiority has been gained and the enemy is fixed in position, the rate of fire is reduced. However, fire superiority must be maintained.
        3. When the maneuver unit nears its final coordination line, the rate of fire is increased to cause the enemy to button up tightly, and allow the maneuver unit to move out of the assault position and initiate its assault before the enemy has time to react.
        4. When the assaulting maneuver unit reaches the final coordination line or onsignal, the base of fire either ceases, shifts its fire to another target area, or leads the assault unit across the objective and then ceases or shifts.
      2. Assault Fire. Successful advance by fire and maneuver leads naturally to an assault of the target area or objective. Assault fire is that fire delivered by a unit during its assault on a hostile position.
        1. Riflemen and Assistant Automatic Riflemen. Both fire welldirected shots from the pointing position. They should fire the weapon using three-round bursts or they should pull the trigger each time the left foot strikes the ground. They fire at known or suspected enemy locations on the portion of the objective that corresponds with their position in the assault formation.
        2. Automatic Riflemen. The automatic riflemen fire in three- to five-round bursts from the underarm firing position. They cover the entire squad objective. Priority of fire is given to known or suspected enemy automatic weapons.
        3. Fire Team Leader. The fire team leader's primary concern during the assault is the control of his fire team. If he is required to fire his rifle, he fires well-directed rifle fire using the pointing technique. Once a hardened or area target presents itself, the fire team leader will commence to fire the grenade launcher using the pointing technique until the target is destroyed or neutralized, or until he cannot place effective fire on the target without endangering friendly troops.
    3. In the Defense
      The fire team is the basic fire unit of the rifle platoon and when practical, each individual's sector of fire covers the entire fire team sector of fire. The fire team delivers fire from positions which it must hold at all costs. Members of the unit are placed where they can obtain good fields of fire and take maximum advantage of cover and concealment.
      1. Riflemen, Assistant Automatic Riflemen, and Automatic Riflemen. The automatic rifles provide the bulk of the squad's firepower. They must be protected and kept in operation. These Marines are assigned to cover the entire fire team sector. In addition, each automatic rifleman is assigned a principal direction of fire.
      2. Fire Team Leader. The fire team leader's primary concern in the defense is the control of his fire team. When required to fire his rifle, he will cover the entire fire team sector with a high volume of fire while the enemy. When the final protective fires are called for, he engages the largest mass of enemy infantry in the assigned sector.
     
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    You seem to be anxious to double down on my point!
     
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    Yea. Hitler, nice guy. Good painter. Given a bum rap over the decades because they were all jealous.

    Yang Kyoungjong, prime example of an Aryan superman fighting for Germany.
     
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