State of Hawaii may be in Contempt of Court over Obama Birth Certificate

I would imagine the Constitution is real annoying to you. I am sure that you believe it should have a requirement that only 'real Americans' should be able to run for President and you would be the one deciding who is a real American. Pretty much a Soviet style system.

Luckily for the rest of us, we do have the Constitution to protect us from you and your ideas. And we have the American voters and our system. Flawed? Of course- we elected GW Bush twice. Every election someone gets elected that likely 40% of voters dont' want elected.

 

Who is the Dear Leader you speak of? Are you really North Korean?

And I don't know of anyone who was ever known as Barry Hussein Soetoro.

 

No one is asking him to.

 

No. Setting the record straight.

 

Anyone born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof is a natural born citizen of the United States based upon the 14th Amendment. This was decided in the Supreme Court decision in the United States v Kim Wong Ark where Kim Wong Ark was granted natural born citizenship. Birthers continue to ignore this Supreme Court decision which addressed "natural born" citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Ignoring the Supreme Court decision does not change that decision.

If "birthers" really wanted a ligitimate issue to address it should be the case of John McCain who was not born in the United States and therefore does not meet one of the two criteria established by the 14th Amendment for natural born citizenship.

 

What then did you call the 110th Congress 2D session a birther conspiracy? And let's not forget the subsequent resolution signed by, among others, Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barry H. Soetoro regarding the Eligibility of John Sydney McCain III that came from that non-existent Senate hearing. Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen

 

The Congress has absolutely no authority related to natural born citizenship. Under the Constitution the Congress is limited to naturalization laws. Natural born citizenship is exempt from any and all statutory control by Congress.

 

Starting this post off by a display of your ignorance was quite apropos I must say. I will keep your ignorance in mind as I answer your apparent and admitted lack of knowledge.

First point a) you didn't know or as you stated you never knew where Bush or Clinton was born. I could fault the Progressive media or Public education for not reporting or teaching that relevant information. But I'm going with, willful ignorance on your part since willful ignorance describes your overall post.

Second please don't "assume" that everyone else shared in your personal ignorance. There are those among us, I include myself, that do not take statements of known liars, any Liberal Progressive, at face value. What we do is investigate for truth.

As to your assumption that GW, Clinton and Soetoro were all vetted equally. That is just plain false.

Bush and Clinton had established personal and political records that we can see to this day. Barry Hussein Soetoro's records are all seal from Kindergarten to his time in the Illinois State State there is nothing available.

Therefore it was physically impossible to vet Soetoro as Bush and Clinton. Tsk, tsk your first point is trashed.

Point b) is a further display of your ignorance. I won't bother with it!

Point c) So now you speak for the voters? Wow, that's interesting. I'm betting that the voters you speak for are voters that points a) and b) apply to. You know the ignorant voters who probably didn't know, like you, the implications to the Article 2 Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution for a person who parents are not citizens of this country. In Soetoro's case his father.

As to your point Congress knew I would agree that Congress is complicit in the shredding of Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution particularly Democrats in Congress.

Your point

Except of course there was no hearing, and there was no committee. Congress passed a resolution affirming their belief that John McCain was eligible- without any evidence. However of course, Congress affirmed Barack Obama was eligible when they confirmed his election, without a single opposing vote.

Could you please tell us how 110th Congressional 2d session took place? The one which the Resolution affirming that John Sydney McCain is a Natural born citizen was produced from.

Another point of correction here, if you are referring to the electoral college's confirmation of votes. That was not a confirmation of Soetoro's eligibility since his eligibility was not a question before them. They were merely confirming the number of electoral votes to win the presidency. Your interpretation of that event is significantly warped.

You said
Except of course pretty much everything you said is a lie or a falsehood.
Barack Obama of course never sealed any documents- that is a lie. And what would his time in the Illinois State Senate have to do with eligiblity- that is a Birther red herring.

Here is a new definition for a lie for this board (Listen up everyone!): a statement or fact that has been proven incorrect or false by facts or proofs. Your definition of a lie, a statement, which you disagree with, no longer applies.

In fact Barry Hussein Soetoro first executive order, Executive Order 13489, the very first one sealed all of his records. So "au contraire mon frere," it is you that is the lie. But I'm willing to chalk it up to your admitted ignorance

Furthermore your generalizations and stock Obamabot teleprompter talking points are an insult to intelligent political discussion.

We all know the real Racists are in the White house and in the so-called Justice Department. It was their miscarriage of justice that allow the New Black Panthers to go free off of voter intimidation charges just because the defendants are black. It is the so called Justice Department that panders to Mexican illegal aliens by calling Republicans enemies and who refuses to enforce the constitution on the border for fear of offending the Mexican illegals who vote in U.S. elections

You are a poor advocate for your side mon frere your pretense of facts is quite amusing.

You really should read more than the Huffington Post and the Daily Kos for your information

 

there is no such person as barry hussein soetoro. I know you think you're being clever, but you're only embarassing yourself.

 

There were no hearings regarding McCain's citizenship during the 110th Congress, 2d session. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

A non binding resolution was introduced and unanimously passed. There were no hearings. There was no debate. There was no discussion or opposition.

That resolution was the whole enchilada. There were never any hearings leading up to it. McCain was never asked a question, or requested to provide any documentation. No testimony was offered. No witnesses spoke.

There was a resolution and a vote.

Period.

 

Speaking for myself, this is an issue I repeatedly test with Birthers in person (never on line, as they have access to Google). I have never met a Birther who could not name for me the hospital in which Obama was born (even as they denied he was really born there). At the same time, when asked the follow up questions, none could the hospitals of birth of Carter, Clinton or Bush II. With that one set of questions it was established that even Birthers know more about Obama than they do any other recent President.

All three have all their records "sealed" to the exact same extent. None of them have released their kindergarten records. And the only reason we have Bush's college transcript is because they were leaked... and boy was he pissed off about it.

You still have never seen birth certificates for either Bush or Clinton.

You still have never seen draft registration records for either Bush or Clinton.

By releasing his birth certificate (twice) Obama has provided more evidence for his eligibility than any other president or presidential candidate in all of American history.

He is the single best vetted President (for eligibility) we have ever had.

That EO has no effect on any record personal or public that was generated prior to January 2009. Not only does it not seal any of his records, it actually makes presidential records easier to access, reversing the additional secrecy added by Bush. The Obama EO is essentially identical to that of Ronald Reagan.

How is it that you can be so wrong about so many things that are so easy to look up?

 

Hmm, it almost seems like his judgment is being clouded... Perhaps by some irrational belief? Gee, I wonder what it could be...

 

Of course McCain is a natural born US citizen. .. and the idiots that claimed otherwise were every bit as stupid as this current crop of birthers.

Anyone can read the Statutes after all.

 

You are assuming, of course, that birthers are literate.

Quite a leap of faith, that.

 

Wong addressed your assertions probably better than I can, but let me give it a shot.

I notice, you didn't name where Bush or Clinton were born. And I doubt you knew prior to their elections. I have yet to meet a Birther who could answer that question without Googling it first.

The honest answer is that until Barack Obama, you and the rest of the Birthers didn't care about vetting or eligiblity. You never asked for any proof that any prior President was eligible, and just assumed that they were.

You never saw- and never asked to see any of their Birth Certificates. You just didn't care whether they were eligible or not. You just assumed that they were.

The rest of your partisan drivel is just that- partisan drivel. I don't assume you are a liar because you are a Birther, I just point out your lies when they are obvious, and point out falsehoods when I don't know whether it is your ignorance or your purposeful falsification.

I haven't seen any evidence that you have researched anything- for the Truth or otherwise. You have bought into whatever is put on Birther blogs.

Who is this Barry Hussien Soetoro that you keep referring to? Are youi really that confused about our elections? No such person that I am aware of has ever run for office.

However, I can say that the facts are very clear- that Barack Obama did not 'seal' his records. If you want to show me otherwise, go ahead- show me where Barack Obama took an action which legally sealed a specific record.

Of course we have personal and political records for Obama, Clinton and Bush. We do not have Kindergarten records for any of them.

But prove me wrong- show me where Bush and Clinton released their kindergarten records.

And you neglected to answer the question- what is the relevance of President Obama's state senatorial records to eligiblity? None of course,

In other words you can't refute what I said- can you? Simple enough- post the debate- McCain's testimony, the evidence he provided to the committee.

I am speaking about American voters, who all grew up learning the same definition of natural born citizen as all of us who were educated in the United States learned. Americans aren't ignorant about who is a natural born citizen, but Birthers sure are. Well actually Birthers aren't ignorant- they devised a whole new definition just to exclude Barack Obama. Real Americans know that anyone born in the United States, except the children of diplomats, can aspire to grow up and be elected President of the U.S.

That is why voters had no problem electing Barack Obama President of the United States, and your contempt for voters and our Constitution is just another example of why it really sucks to be a Birther.

You do realize that not a single Republican or Independent objected either? That of course is because Congress consists of real Americans who know the actual definition of natural born citizen, not the made up one that Birthers use to try to overturn our Constitution with. Birthers despise the Constitution.

Your point

Except of course there was no hearing, and there was no committee. Congress passed a resolution affirming their belief that John McCain was eligible- without any evidence. However of course, Congress affirmed Barack Obama was eligible when they confirmed his election, without a single opposing vote..:[/QUOTE]

 

Hahaha.. My mistake no doubt.

Notice that when all else fails they say.. All Barak Obama's records are sealed??


LOLOLOL

 

Oh yeah... and my other favorite is that "Barak Obama won't release his thesis"... as if a Thesis was required for a JD.

 

Playing fast and loose with our constitution will exact a terrible toll on this country. And it already has Doc May

 

Actually Jeff the constitution sides with doc May on this this subject. Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution calls for a "Real American" to qualify as president.

Unfortunately the constitution isn't working these days because if it was it would have protected doc May and the rest of us from people like you and others who support and voted for the un-American Usurper who stand on the Hollowed ground where Washington, Adams and Jefferson once stood.

 

Why would you put in quotation marks a phrase that exists nowhere in the Constitution, let alone Article 2 Section 1?

How did you think you would get away with that?

 

Of course the Constitution says no such thing. Among other things, it calls for the President to be a Natural born citizen, which all Americans know means anyone born in the U.S.

Luckily the Constitution protects our government from malcontent political operatives like yourself who attempt to revise the Constitution to mean what is politically expedient for you.

How arrogant are Birthers?

You believe the majority of American voters are ignorant- that you are somehow privy to knowledge that average Americans can't understand. Republicans like Sarah Palin like to call that Elitism.

You believe that Congress was either corrupt or cowardly- because that is the only way you can explain the entire Congress rejecting your agenda.

You believe that Chief Justice Roberts is either incompetant or cowardly- since he clearly had no qualms about the eligiblity of the President when he swore him in twice.

You believe that retired Justice Sandra Day O'Connor is incompetant, even though she was probably the single most influential Justice for over a decade, because she has the audacity to state what every American knows-t hat Barack Obama was ineligible.

Oh lets not forget, you believe that the State of Hawaii is corrupt also.

To recap- anyone who doesn't agree with your position is either ignorant, corrupt or cowardly....and that includes 99.999% of all Americans.

Which is why of course, it sucks to be a Birther.

 

While the original provisions of the US Constitution are never modified they are and have been superseded by Amendment. The 14th Amendment superceded all prior criteria related to citizenship.

It established two conditions of citizenship with one being those that are naturalized under the Constitutional authority granted to Congress in Article I Section 8 and those that are citizens by right of birth based upon the criteria of jus soli where an individual is born within the United States and subject the jurisdiction thereof. This was confirmed in the case of the United States v Kim Wong Ark where the Supreme Court ruled that he was a natural born citizen based upon the fact that he was born in California (a state) and was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

There are only two forms of citizenship in the United States, naturalized based upon statutory laws and natural born based upon jus soli which is exempt from statutory law or control. That is what the 14th Amendment established.

 

Don't confuse birthers with actual Constitutional law. They are still trying to figure out how to reverse the 13th Amendment, so they haven't even gotten to the 14th.

 

If you want to know who Obama's REAL father is. and probably listed as (What
he's desperate to hide at all costs), and how I know it to be so, pick up
BRED TO BE A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE at www.createspace.com in paperback or
digital download, at Kindle, or Ebay. (Or in PDF via email at my website,
www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com) Here's the real shocker, and Obama may have
not even been aware of it, since he was adopted.
We share the same father, and he's WHITE; Obama's mother a black Indonesian.
But as such, he was not only bred and groomed to have certain genes
neccessary to create a "Manchurian Candidate," but run from afar as well by
simple mnemonic hypnotic command. By none other than former East German
"Master Spy," Gen. Markus Wolf. I was ushered into US Army M.I. after high
school and sent to Germany to lure him to the West. It worked, and he was
"Turned" in 1977, not 1992. He knew the Communist master agenda for the
Communization of America, and it's been counter-run all this time. To
include this recent attempted take-over at the top. Instead, it's served to
lure ALL of the moles from the woodwork - And this knowledge will cause a
revolution that will energize the people to take their government back with a
vengence.
You'll come to find out why this "Master Spy" of false documentation,
grooming and political placement deliberately spiked Obama's. It's as it is
said, every Judge, every bill, every debt Obama signed will be reversed.
And to add to that, my best guess is that he was born premature, inasmuch as
Kapiolani Hospital are specialists for that. And that it was one of the dead twins from whom his COLB was the template. Triggers for in that Obama must have Celiac's Disease, as I do, for it is intrinsic in the creation of said bred "Manchurian Candidate.

 

Terrible, isn't it, when someone expresses the hope of political freedom from this Socialist takeover through the Legal Process for your PC-Correct kind?
A large percentage of American's no longer believe in Congress, the Presidency, nor even the Judiciary, so... Talk about Legal Process?
Well, if we can stick to the Ballot box, or get to the Jury box, but not graduate to the Bullet box, we'll do fine.