Steven Hawking COMES OUT! I am an atheist, SCIENCE is more convincing than GOD!

See you have become wrapped up in the absolutist atheist debate. Its interesting to read this debate because everyone is circling around the same basic concept while arguing the fine points.

There are very few literalist wiling to debate the existence of god on this forum. There are however quite a few christians who disguise their true belief as new age spiritualism and once a few points are conceded reveal their intent. We need to accept that there are lots of people who are not able to conceive god in any other form than the one they grew up with. All paths lead to the same mountain top so to speak, but of course the mountain top is exactly like the bible told them. IMO its just as irritating as the atheist who define the bible by only the most brutal or fantastical parts.

I think there is a lot of wisdom and beauty in the bible, its not the center of my spiritual world though, and I don't think its yours. Let the rabid atheist tear up the literalist christians all they want. There's really almost no one around to get offended.

 

There are physiological benefits to having faith in a higher power.

Also, if you do selfless acts of altruism, the same parts of your brain light up that parents who are caring for children have lit up.

You don't have to define the fabric of a higher power, but seeking it's "grace" for lack of a better term, does have benefits.

For all we know, God has never read the Bible, even if God is someone who made us in his own image.

The real trouble comes in when righties think God is on their side, and try to drag the scientific method into the subjective realm where religion exists.....all to gain power.

 

I realize how big it is (well as much as anyone can comprehend how big it is). And it is much bigger than the visible universe. I would probably have done better to put an "even if" before the word sentience in that sentence. We have no way of knowing at present if life is rare or fairly common at any given time in the Universe. Nor do we know how long sentient species last, nor do we know how many of them develop technological societies.

 

I think God is beyond proof, which is actually a clever design...

Just imagine what would happen if any God was to be "proven" existent or non-existent.....

God is also beyond the definable, and it seems that a lot the dispute between science and believers
comes from the very same attempt to define God..
Some scientists attempts to disprove god with a debunk of the bible..
What they fail to understand is that this is a very narrow definition of God that not all belivers necessarily share.....

The natural response to this is to argue that science can't prove or explain everything.....
And so it goes, back and forth...

Every definition of God is rooted in personal perception, that doesn't fit well with science which goal is to provide testable conclusions for the masses to concur with...

On another note..
Some of the newbie theories from scientists are only considered fact, because of lack of other reasonable explanations...
Just like many theories before...

Food for thought..

 

No (*)(*)(*)(*). You assumed Hawking was basing his conclusion on probable testable theory you never took the time to confirm in your own you assumed it to be true becauae he is a famous scientist.

You are free to think that I cant stop you but the above proves that is not at all true. If you need to lie to yourself to protect your own ego thats your own problem but don't ever think for a moment that you can get away with lying to me.

Probable and testable both assumptions made by you both absolutely wrong.

Your way of thinking reminds me of one.

You are absolutely right then why did you put do much faith in Hawking's conclusion being based on probable and testable theory?

My intentions are to make your head spin. I don't like you if you did get that already from the number of times ive reported you and got you banned for saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a member of stormfront.

[QuoteAre you a happy person?[/quote]

Absolutely

My wife, mu kids, my family .... and taking someone like you down a peg.

 

No, that is wrong. Agnostics, athiests and believers are made.

It is indeed fact that you can't prove or disprove God

Lol, so this "knowledge" just happened to pop into your mind out of thin air?

 

That is not what I said, why do you insist on cherry picking parts of my post?

Why did you not quote the second sentence...which leads to "where did the laws come from"....content and context are important.

I don't think the discussion surrounds "it just is", we just can't tell you where or how the laws came to be...no one can, which has been my point all along.

 

You're not following the discussion here. You keep insisting that "I" am a believer.

I am pointing out that all manner of "where/how" questions ultimately end in "no one knows". God did it...no he didn't...neither can prove their end, period.

You are arguing strictly from a scientific point, which is wrong in the context.

Energies react to each other in a manner that we have observed and measured....I'm not arguing against that in any way....and that wasn't the logical fallacy in the OP that I replied to.

 

You've never gotten me banned. Only warnings, and they were worth it.

Are you short?

 

Well...no. Not the same. An auto is inanimate and can't evolve.

One of the scientific theories is that life was brought to this planet by comets. You do know that artificial life has been created in the lab now...by basically mixing the right chemicals.

Science supports evolution.

"We" are here because comets brought the right chemicals and homosapiens are the emergent species of evolution.

Irrelevant

I'm sure neanderthal's were quite puzzled at homospiens.

I'm sure any peoples prior to the 1940-50ish time frame would marvel at a honda civic, not sure I understand your point there.

I don't think so. Just because it is vast doesn't make it automatically "made by a god". I agree, there's a lot going on, we're starting to learn a lot of the things that happen to dirt, and rocks and stars and black holes and all, but if that is what, as someone else said "energies" and matter do, then in reality, it's not so daunting, it's just....big.

All I'm saying is that the probability of random creation is as a valid as the notion of God, if for no other reason neither side can prove their claim. That's it, that's the bottom line....right now in our time, it can't be proven one way or the other.

I'm not discounting it at all, I'm just saying you can't prove it. Imagination is not proof.

Apples and oranges. Living things don't just fall together mechanically from parts. It's not the right analogy.

That's more along the lines of my personal beliefs, but given the current theories, and actual science behind "life", it is entirely possible that life is random. Certainly it hurts the ego, but modern science does support the idea.

I wasn't aware science is claiming proof for the big bang?

I was never referring in general about the universe, only humans, but it still fits. Earth could just as easily be a random planet as any other rocky body around a star that falls within the right "zone".

I'm not there is no God, and I'm not saying there is. We don't really know for sure and we can't prove it either way.

 

No it isn't.

Be that as it may, you've evidently forgotten what I called presumptuous, to wit:

The truth is, we don't know [whether God exists], at all. ​

Nothing factual there, obviously.

I was created with it, like everyone else.

 

It gives them something to do.

 

Nope Im tall. I'm handsome. I am a physical specimen who parlayed a vastly superior body and natural athleticism than you have into a top notch college education at a major technical Institute in the form of a full ride athletic scholarship.

I never had any difficulty in school and have multiple engenginering degrees while spending most of my time away from class training my already gifted body vastky superior to yours im sure.

Aftet being in the private sector for the past decade I will be going back to school this spring to more formalize my natural leadership role since others follow my lead.

Nope Im naturally blessed. I ha e no weakness both physically and mentally. I have never bern faced with a physical task I did not have natural talent for or an academic pursuit as well.

Im very very lucky to be who I am. In short im the guy you wish you were.

Yesh I know the geeks fo tend to stereotype.
I always loved debate when they think that they can outwit me. Of course even if they could it makes no difference. The moment I stand up for crossex and my physical power becomes apparent they all just cower instinctively. Natural reaction I guess.

But enough about how I won the genetic lottery tell us about yourself.

 

You're trying too hard.

 

Interesting! You said I didn’t quote your second sentence when I did, and you even replied to my reply to the second sentence…………….. right here:

I can.

Devoid of an answer to something claiming to exist, you are left with “it just is”. I'm not saying I'm not okay with that. For now, until we get an answer, the answer "it just is" just is.

 

I'll say it again..we don't know whether God exists, at all....that is fact. Sorry. If you disagree with it, prove it...oh, that's right, you can't.

You were created with knowledge that you can't prove?

This gets more bizarre the further we go....

 

Oh I dont have to try at all. Thats my point.

You see I found genetics. My naturally superior father who was himself a successful lawyer, outdoorsman, and two sport college athlete was able to attract to himself a naturally superior mate in the form of my mother whi was herself a gifted intellectual and athlete, moms 6 foot BTW. Together they combined their already superior genetics to create an even better version of themselves in the form of me.

im who you have always wanted to be. Im the guy who got the grades without trying and nailed the girls you wanted yo nail just because I could. Its always easy.

But im sorry you cannot get genetics.

 

Why all the anger then?.....sounds like you have a lot to be happy about.

I guess Satan does his best work through vanity

 

I said I dont like you and I enjoy taking you down a peg. I dobt like bullies. You accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you of being a member of stormfront or every Christian a fundamentalist is bully behavior.

I dobt get angry. I never get angry at people who are below me.

As for vanity at times but I make sure to ground myself. Im lucky. I know that. But at the same time ive put the time in to move even further than my natural genetic potential.

 

More to the point, I don't need to.

That you think that's problematic suggests you probably don't understand what knowledge is to begin with - or that you find it expedient to be oblivious to such understanding, at least for the moment.

 

My fault, I should have said "addressed only my first sentence".

Not exactly. The "it just is" idea in the context was meant to mean no creative influence from a deity. It was just random.

 

I already stated several posts back that my belief in a "higher power" has zero to do with a belief in a God. I believe that the only way that Earthlings can ever achieve a higher power, which some may translate to the God word, is to be in synchronicity with nature, the planet, each other and hence the entire universe. If the collective energy and consciousness was geared towards the common good, we and the planet would not be in the disarray that it is in at the present time. IMO..it's that simple, but humans have not evolved or maybe never will evolve to that level of intellectuality and true spiritualism.

 

What makes you angry about people you view as "below" you. That's very contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

Oh! wait...so I must not be below you.

 

Your reading comprehension is not very good. Im not angry. I just don't like bullies physical or in your case intellectual. Bullies want to be me. You see I dont have to bully people to get them to fall in line behind me. They do that naturally. People simply feel my power. Bullies see leaders who project power and think that projecting power is the same as using it so they use power to force people in line.

 

I'm sorry if you feel like I've been bullying you.

Lot's of righties, at least the ones not all superior like you, always share that sentiment about feeling bullied by liberals.