"Stop Hiding Behind the Second Amendment"

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Warren Burger-a statist stooge with a third rate legal education and a fourth rate legal mind

    He's a complete dolt and he never was honest enough to deal with the tenth amendment implications. He never was smart enough to understand that what really bans the federal government from interfering with our right to be armed is that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS NEVER EVER GRANTED ANY PROPER POWER TO INTERFERE WITH OUR RIGHTS



    Federal gun control based on the commerce clause is the biggest fraud. Burger was too dishonest to admit that

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    He wasn't as proven by the idiocy he spewed

    tell me what part of the constitution granted the federal government the power to regulate what sort of arms I can own?

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    the founders well knew that the states had certain powers to regulate the USE of firearms. that was all that was needed. you labor under the delusion that because you want federal gun control powers-that means the founders must have intended them. I ask you what part of the constitution actually gave the federal government such powers
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    he's wrong so that figures. you still haven't told us why you are so hateful of people owning firearms. Burger was a low grade moron. Liberal scholars as well as libertarian scholars destroyed this guy's reign as one of the worst idiots to hold the CJ seat in history. This clown was the last unqualified hack to get on the Court based purely on politics. Unlike all of the current justices and almost every justice over the last 40 years, he was not a legal scholar. Even Stevens, probably the least gifted Justice in the last 20 years, was at the very top of his class at a very good though not top ten Law school (NW). every other justice in modern history went to the very best law schools save Marshall and that was based on reasons other than intellectual ability

    Thomas, Alito, Sotomayor , Fortas, White, Stewart -Yale
    Rehnquist, O'Connor-Stanford
    Breyer, Kennedy, Scalia, Kagan Roberts, Souter, Blackmun , Powell Harvard
    Ginsberg (Harvard-transferred to Columbia due to her husband's needing medical treatment in NYC)
     
  3. Professor Peabody

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    Get over it.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    its also why third rate intellects shouldn't be on the Supreme Court.
     
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    "The right of a citizen to bear arms, in the lawful defense of himself or the state, is absolute. He does not derive it from the state government..." The ruling of the court carries more weight than the opinions of people that think you can vote unalienable Rights away with a popularity contest.
     
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    Your argument is moronic. The second amendment is a guarantee that the people shall retain the right to protect themselves. That right is absolute. So tell me, what tool will you need in the future to protect yourself?

    In the LA riots, the Koreans perched on their rooftops with AK's were all that stood between them dying and living when the LA police abandoned the area, and left them to defend themselves....
     
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    the supreme court disagrees
     
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    Our Bill of Rights includes States' rights, dear. Only the clueless and the Causeless appeal to ignorance of the law.

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    just appeals to ignorance of the law; get over it.

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    i can't believe how ignorant some people are when appealing to ignorance of the law. there are no Individual terms in our Second Amendment.

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    nothing but ignorance; i got it.

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    he is correct; it makes all the difference in the world.

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    especially the crew that came up with DC v. Heller.

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    Dear, natural rights are recognized in our State Constitutions and available via Due Process in federal Constitution. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

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    so what; there is no appeal to ignorance, or disparagement, or denial of the first clause.
     
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    There clearly are. Try reading it

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    No you are wrong the right belongs to individual citizens not elite groups like the militia.
     
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    there clearly are not; why not try reading it yourself and stop appealing to ignorance, like usual.

    wrong again, like usual. not All of the Militia of the United States is well regulated--10USC311. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law in any office of public Trust.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment is never going away. get over it and learn to live with it - you have no other choice.
     
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    that fact destroys your argument.

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    incoherent drivel
     
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    There clearly are it is you appealing to ignorance all through the thread


    The people refers to individual citizens not a collective this is true in the first amendment fourth amendment and second amendment.

    The second protects the people's right against infringement not the militias right.

    This is precisely what is said and what is meant.

    It is your perversion which is ignorant and ignoring the law.
     
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    the Only facts support my argument; it is Only your appeals to ignorance which "destroy" a moral of True Witness bearing in favor of Lord Satan's instructions to the contrary.

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    There clearly are not, or you would copy and paste them, dear. Nothing but diversion?

    Our Second Amendment is about the security of a free State, not Individual rights for gun lovers.
     
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    You keep repeating the term appeal to ignorance showing it is nothing more than a meaningless buzzword to you.

    Especially since you are the one engaging in such appeals.

    The facts dispute you no matter how much you assert otherwise and that is clear.
     
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    Burger was a Leftwing Activist Justice. He was a social justice warrior. He voted for abortion, school bussing, and destroying Christian values.

    His views on the Second are typical of a Leftist.
     
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    I am not the one appealing to ignorance of the actual Terms written in our Second Article of Amendment; unlike those of Your point of view; not enough moral Patriotism to go around?
     
  18. Johnny-C

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    It won't go away, but it probably will be amended and interpreted differently in coming eras.
     
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    it is perfectly clear now; Only infidels, protestants, and renegades, claim the opposite.
     
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    nope. that's why your argument lost in court.
    incoherent drivel




    nope. it's settled law that it's the individuals right.
     
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    There is no need to copy and paste you have admitted that the people is in the second amendment.

    The problem is you ignore what it means.

    You cannot have it both ways but that is what you are trying to do.

    It means individual citizens in the first,fourth and second amendments.

    It does not mean something different in the second amendment, it the is the logical fallacy you are asserting without a shr d of factual or evidence to support your assertion.

    The bill of rights are about individual rights especially the second amendment.

    This is fact which you can only deny by being dishonest.
     
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    Yes it is you appealing to ignorance and projecting it in others.

    The facts have CRUSHED you
     
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    I'm not a Constitutional scholar... but I have indeed heard more than one expert disagree with what you state above.

    The discussion is far from over; and I think in the end, the 2nd Amendment will be made more 'clear', one way or the other.

    Also, the status quo many are tolerating today (where we have more shooting deaths than any other similar nation), will not be acceptable. And that is coming soon, I think.
     
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    One needs no scholar to grasp plain English and any such scholar who says it means something else is ignoring plain English.
     
  25. Johnny-C

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    I think you are correct.

    I personally do not believe that even the Founding Fathers thought it was a good idea for an individual to be allowed to possess weapons as many do today. And surely, times and technology have changed. Something's got to give... and eventually it will; change will come to things. It is just a matter of time and political will.

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    I'm sure you cannot prove that and that it really doesn't match what history actually records.

    I see your opinion and nothing more.
     

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