Stop the Liberal nonsense

It seems many on the Right are seeking to RIG the elections as we speak. But in due time, justice will be served.

People need not be disillusioned: The "Right", does NOT have all the 'right' answers.

 

Because they don't have high levels of government regulation, just a welfare state.

 

This post is full of WIN!

They create their own economic problems by breeding into poverty.

 

I agree but what are you gonna do about it? Just let them die? What a very wonderful country you want to live in, lol.

 

They are most heavily unionized. Socialism in Scandinavia is only a myth if you selectively chose what you want socialism to be. They are a welfare state, over half the work force belongs to trade unions, they have universal healthcare and every other thing the right in amercica call socialism and a few extra things, and to greater extent. Yet now, because they are examples of this demonized system actually providing for people better than capitalism, it cannot be considered socialism....How quaint.

 

Also, 75% of the female workforce is employed by the public sector in Sweden. I doubt they are actually regulating anything though. There is a great deal of regulation, heavy taxation, wealth redistribution, and they are doing very well by many accounts. On top of all that, there is still economic freedom in terms of what a person wants to do for a living. A simple search for an index of economic freedom will suffice.

 

Funny, the immigrants that came here BEFORE entitlements somehow thrived. They'll have to use that gelatinous mass hiding behind their skulls to do the same. It's time to grow up and evolve.

 

I think this thread should be simply entitled "Stop the nonsense."

Ideological societal extremes do not work to the advantage of anyone, except the privileged 1%. The extravagent dachas of the Commissars in the USSR, and the Trump Castles of the USA are evidence of the same thing.

The most sociologically successful societies on earth are a judicious combination of free enterprise capitalism and various forms of socialism. An excess of one or the other leads to societal failure and injustice, and unregulated Capitalism is as harmful to the welfare of the common man as is Communist dictatorship.

 

history has not failed marxism, it has failed national socialism under hitler and communism under soviets

this new social experiment for the US should work because it has learned from the failures of the past big governments

also capitalism is among that which has failed in history

 

The most 'sociologically successful' nations are socialist. Heavily uninized, heavily taxed, strong social networking of the poor to enhance capital output. Low levels of poverty, child poverty, and feul poverty. Universal health care, democracy in the workplace, and regulations. This does not mean that there are no financial incentives to produce efficiently, like some seem to suggest.

 

Really? Example please.

 

I have been citing examples throughout this very thread. Im not attempting to be rude or arrogant, but if you could review the pages of this thread and just read the posts I have submitted that way we can eliminate any unecessary redundancy. I bet it would only take you but 5 minutes.

 

You are SPOT ON!! Bravo! You nailed it!

Thank you!!

 

Actually, your shtick is repetitive and tiresome. You don't make points, you generalize and then characterize opposing arguments as "outlandish claims". You invest no brainpower in your posts and it becomes clear after reading a few of them how shallow you really are.

 

This post would appear to be in direct contravention of Rule 4 of the Primary Short Listed Rules published:

I trust the moderators are taking due note.

 

I can understand that after I have unfortunatley had to start my basic argument a few different times now. Following that most of you dipped off to other threads. Its very simple, and until anyone effectively submits a rebbutle argument theres nothing more for me to say. I ask for evidence to back claims which most of the times goes without anything whatsoever being brought forth. You asked me for evidence earlier today about the founders and religious beliefs. You had every right to do so and I respect that you did. I was very prompt in providing the requested info as I always am. Sad to say this is not the case with everyone else who continues to perpetuate the same nonsensical bilge, ''it has always failed''-''it doesnt work''-Several institutions of the U.S are deemed socialist yet when another nation has these same things and to much greater extent and a whole lot more in the way of socialism, unionization, and regulation and is doing well then all of a sudden its not socialism. My argument is repetitive you say??? Laughable, the typical mantra propagated here (in regards to socialism) is nothing more than the repetition of fox news contributors and mindless rants about tyrannical dictatorships.

No, I ask for evidence when I suspect something is simply contrived on a whim. I must be right on for the most part as very few people can deliver.

Speaking of investing brainpower, do you have anything in the way of what others are discussing here or did you just want to drop in and express your unrelenting frustration with me?

 

Because Scandanavian socialism is not true socialism at all but rather only contains elements of socialism that they chose to fit into their society. Following your logic you could say America is socialistic because nobody can be refused treatment in a hospital emergency room. You are looking at a few aspects of these countries and determining that they are socialist which is not the case.

A true socialist country cannot maintain subsistence without reverting back to capitalism or going towards communism or totalitarianism as Marx and Engels explained in the Communist Manifesto. It is simply a part of the ideological progression that countries will go through during their transition periods.

 

Don't count on it. We've been waiting over 10 years for something to trickle down and jobs to be created by the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy - the justification for giving it to them in the first place - but I haven't seen any benefit from it yet - just the rich getting richer and the middle class being destroyed.

 

Thank you for the consideration regarding the insults directed towards me good fellow. Its a shame that a member would have so much open contempt for such a stand up gentleman like myself.

 

Awe someone call the whambulance.



BTW it was not insulting to the person directly just their opinion.

 

It's always in their head that socialism works out like dancing sugarplums. Anytime you point out the failed attempts at socialism, they wistfully allude to a perfect world where socialism works because people aren't greedy and everyone is committed to the higher cause. They believe that pure socialism would not necessitate totalitarianism. The truth is, no matter how it's applied, socialism is a rank evil because it's invariably imposed against people's will and robs people of potential greatness harnessing them instead to the lowest common denominator. Socialism kills the human spirit, stifles ingenuity, and perpetuates misery. It's an evil that must be fought and opposed at every opportunity and even their most charismatic evangelists must be seen for their black hearted greed to exercise power over the lives of others.

 

Ha! You said it!

 

Personally, I'd say that the aspects of America which are indeed "socialist", need to be kept in place and improved.

I think we know well-enough from history and the happenings of this present day... that capitalism with little regulation and no real 'social' checks/balances, is a disaster. Capitalism is awesome... when it fits properly into a society. As it is today, it has almost reached the level of deity... so sacred that it should not be questioned or modified for the purpose of the greater good of this nation's citizens. I (for one) think that needs to stop. Our nation was deliberately and literally placed into peril, because we allowed ourselves to WORSHIP greed and profit, while some were convincing lawmakers that the WEALTHY (referred to as so-called "job creators") would maintain economic momentum (as long as their 'welfare' was tended to).

The American people are now waking up. They know that tending only or primarily to the wants or needs of the wealthy, is not the total answer to what ails this nation. In fact, they are more aware than EVER... and are actively seeking to re-balance many aspects of our society/economy which have been needing attention for decades.

A BIG change is taking place right now, whether those struggling to maintain the status quo wish to see it or not.

 

Please, stop lying. That is in no way true.

 

I own a copy of the manifesto and I could care less what it says about socialism. The term predates 1848 and thus the writings of both Marx and Engels. They use it to explain the transitory state of things while shifting from capitalism to communism. If you are a Marxist then this might mean something as they tend to believe in Marx and his presictions about how the world will one day become communist. The manifesto explains several things which have yet to pan out. You are saying because Marx has his exclusive definition for socialism, that scandinavian socialism is not true socialism. This is what many would like to try to say. If we go to countries that are not doing well however we will be real quick to label them as socialist.