Supervolcano beneath Yellowstone update: Caldera Volcano shocks researchers

over, like lancing a boil, not around, like popping a zit. what would you rather have? the US west of Chicago covered in shatter rock that will cause a lingering death to every living thing, or move everyone out of WY, ID, and MT?

 

A zit or boil is not under pressure.

What you are saying is more like lancing an artery.

Sorry, this is pretty much done as far as I am concerned. Not sure if you are a troll or simply science ignorant, but there is no use in continuing this any further.

 

do you have a better idea? no? thanks for proving the empty drum rule.

 

There is nothing to do really.

Monitor the area, watch for changes, and make long term evacuation and survival plans.

Other then that, there is nothing we can do.

We are talking real life here, not a Hollywood movie.

[video=youtube;YDN8IowwT5k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDN8IowwT5k[/video]

 

i wrote that several posts back. why blow up 3 states on speculation?

 

Good thing I missed that. It looks absolutely retarded.

 

Back in the day Omni magazine published an article sourced from some official US government think tank, put together to consider plans for various natural disasters. The comment for a caldera eruption was chilling I can still recall it to this day

There is no technology or theoretical path to technology that can contain such an eruption for the foreseeable futurefuture

Basically if Yellowstone goes up - bend over grab your cheeks and kiss you arse goodbye

 

Now don't get me wrong, I loved OMNI Magazine. Read it regularly, and it in many ways was among the first to bring awareness of a great many things to the masses.



But it was a "science light" publication, aimed at the masses by the publisher of Penthouse Magazine. About 40% science content, 40% science fiction, and 20% speculative articles (New Ice Age, UFOs, Cryptozoology, etc). It was interesting, and one of the early articles I remember speculated on the future of a new surgical process out of the Soviet Union that was discovered by accident. Where a man who had an eye injury had improved vision afterwards, and this led to Radial Keratotomy, the primitive form of modern LASIK surgery.

But the problem with a lot of people is that they think we and science can do anything. Sorry, we can't stop a supervolcano. And we can't really reroute a fluidic volcanic eruption. And we can't destroy a comet or asteroid heading towards the planet. Movies more and more have made people believe that we can do things we just can't. And I am not trying to be some kind of "prophet of doom", just saying that it will happen someday, and when it does expect the world to radically change, probably seeing a population crash of 65% if not more globally. And technology revert to the Steam Age at best.

 

Yeah over its print run OMNI did change a lot - I always thought the first 5 years or so where the best. After that it got a little much into junk science for mine

 

There is reason to believe that mankind was rendered almost extinct about 75,000 years ago from the explosion of Toba, a super volcano. Total human population may have been reduced to about 10,000. I doubt we'd do much better now.

 

What race would you choose, if it had to be just one?

 

I don't believe the question is worth answering - no offense! We cannot chose our race so I don't concern myself with such a concept.

 

We would probably do worse, because we are much less self-sufficient then we were even 200 years ago.

I doubt if you took the entire city of LA and dumped them into a forest full of food that more then 10% could survive for more then a month. Killing and cleaning game, primitive fishing, creating fire, making shelter, foraging for plants, those are all lost skills to the vast majority of people.

I would bet that most of the survivors would be the most primitive people in the world, because they are the only ones who still have the required skills to survive (as well as live in areas with a low enough population density that it is possible).

If the SHTF for real, expect 70-80% population die-offs. Places like London, Madrid, Moscow, New York, Los Angeles, Beijing, Tokyo, and every other metropolitan area with a population density of more then 1,000 per square mile to largely vanish within a year. And even most of those will die, the survivors will simply be smart enough to live off of the land until the majority die off.

 

Also, people should not forget that it does not take a Supervolcano to kill large numbers of people.

The last major volcano to go off in historical times was Laki, in Iceland. It's 1783 eruption killed an estimated 6 million people, around 100,000 in England-Scotland-Ireland alone when it blew over 120 million tons of sulpher dioxide into Europe.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/doomsday-volcanoes.html

 

Non taken.its not entertaining to think about it it isnt.

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Read about the horrific fatality rate in the jamestown colony

 

Anyone that picks anything other than lily white, hairy, northern European is nuts. Since the sky is going to be darkened by dust and ash for years potentially then it makes sense to pick a skin color that will allow you to maximize the minimal amount of sunlight and every little bit of body hair will help during the nuclear winter conditions. My second choice would be Middle Eastern or Mediterranean because the extra long nasal shaft and thus extra nose hairs would help filter out all the dust in the air. I would also want to be a fat son of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) with a very slow metabolism.

 

No need to look it up, I know about that all to well.

And that is not a good choice to try and prove anything.

First of all, this was not an attempt at a farming colony, but an industrial colony. Most of those who went there were carpenters, masons, smiths, and others with little to no agricultural knowledge or experience.

Then you have the fact that the land was considered so worthless, not even the local Indian tribes wanted it.

Then you have the reason why most died, disease. Europeans are well known for their lack of resistance to malaria, the largest killer in the new colony (along with other diseases).

Then you can add in that they tried to create it at what turned out to be the start of a 6 year long drought. What crops they did try to plant failed, and the reduced outflow in the rivers turned them brackish with seawater. So added to that was the problem of non-potable water.

And finally, the inner fighting that broke out. And the final nail in the coffin, the demands of the investors that each colonist send back a "lump of gold" to pay for their transportation and start-up costs.

All combined, it was amazing that this colony did as well as it did. They had nothing with which to make the colony any kind of success.

 

I will go with the most successful group of people, the Han Chinese.

 

Im not trying to "prove" anything.

The post apocalypse world wont be a farming colony either. There'd be masons, smiths, but mostly office workers etc.

Not so, the Indians were farming it, and the jamaestown people did too, tho later they ruined it with tobacco.

They took malaria with them.

The non potable water was a result of picking a poor locality and not even digging a well. They didnt arrive in a drought, that came later.

There were plenty of reasons, starvation, Indians, disease foremost.

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Back to a bunch of city dwellers out in the dead countryside after the volcano blows.

They will soon be dead too.

 

unless you belong to a society that lives directly off the land/seas I'd estimate survival odds for the rest of us between zero and none...even a lot of the most simple cultures will die depending on where they live in relationship to the catastrophe and if they can get out of the way of the initial onslaught of desperate urban dwellers searching for food...

 

a billion plus people rampaging across there country in search of food, it doesn't look good...my money would be on the inuit and aleut of the far north, the forest dwellers of the Amazon and the bushman of s.w. Africa....people who still know how to exist as hunter gathers...

 

there arent any aleuts left, and the "Inuit' aka eskimos, are welfare people, not hunters

almost anyone could outcompete them at nearly anything

I dont recall doing any "rampaging" btw. or having to look for food other than at the market.

but never mind the Han in China, there's a lot more than 10 K outside.

 

the aleuts are there and inuit still retain their hunting and fishing skills and ability to live off the land and seas, hunting for food is still a important part of their existence and culture, they would see a decline in population as there too many of them today for the region to support but they have better chances then most...

China has become far to urbanized and the Han possess no unique survival advantages...

 

Where do you get this info about "aleuts" and "inuit"?
Are you aware that there are no full blood aleut in the world?
and that the "Inuit" is not synonymous with "Eskimo"?

I'd bet at least $1.69 that you never have even seen an Eskimo.

As for whether Han have some advantage, well, there are more of us than any other
group, and by far the longest continuous civilization. That might just mean something
about who is successful and who has not been.

Chinese nationals dominate the economies of all the countries of SE Asia.
Every island across the pacific has Chinese businesses. When I was in Belize, here on the resort island, a Chinese store and the little daughter lying on the floor behind the counter, studying.

 

In this, it depends upon the urban dweller.

My father for example. Even though he lives outside of Salem, he grew up hunting and fishing for most of his families food in the 1950's. So as long as he got away in time I am not to worried about him. Nor about one of my uncles, who lives outside of Boise, and has a hunting and mining cabin in central Idaho. He has various root crops growing all around his claim, and hunts and fishes for a great deal of his food (out of want, not need - he prefers venison to store hamburger).

You also have some rural areas which are remote enough that they would welcome some extra hands, but would then drive off excess people once they had enough people to help work their fields.

But yea, unless somebody had some kind of badly needed low tech skills (smithing, carpentry, coopers, bowyers-fletchers, etc) I do not think they would last long.