Supreme Court Backs Christian Baker

Look bro, if you perform a service for the public you cannot pick and choose who you perform it for.

There is a history in this country(and it's still happening today) of marginalizing gay people and not affording them the same rights of all citizens.

"Creative masterpiece", lol. I am a damned fine cook. I worked as one for 10+years. I didn't think about the people I was serving this food to other than I cooked as though I was cooking for myself. It was my craft. It is what I did. I went to work and did my job.

 

With modification, IMO.

I don't care for the Electoral College.

 

Oh no you are not, you are talking about some people being "above the law" that others you expect to follow. I have been discriminated against, but I never have needed protection. I was a male raising two children by myself in the 70's. I faced discrimination in spades. You can either fall down on the pavement and cry cry cry, why me, why me?? or you stand up for yourself. Everyone is a protected class except white males. That means that they must be made a protected class because everyone is against them.

 

Why not? Do you feel the same way about the senate, it is certainly not the majority of the people fairly represented, in fact, worse than the states accumulated votes.

 

Yes I can. That is what freedom from involuntary servitude is all about, the very constitutional amendment that freed the slaves. I posted it, did you read it?

And you are still confused. I have the right to discriminate for ANY REASON, but the government cannot. Can you not tell the difference?

 

White flag here friend. You are my father's age if he were still alive. He was born in '49 like my mother. Vietnam era.

I feel your anger as a white male myself. I think everyone should be protected from discrimination. I hate how good white men have been vilified. That doesn't discount other's hardships.

These are complex problems but I will not sacrifice what is right because someone else has been done wrong. I want everyone to be treated fairly. This is America and I still believe in that. Change is usually painful and ugly.

 

Why is fair treatment more important than liberty to decide for oneself what is "fair," or even the liberty to be unfair?

To be clear, I don't support racial discrimination or other unfairness as I define it, and I dont know any libertarians who do either, but I don't support tyranny either ... and that's the problem here.

When the two are in conflict, government should err on the side of doing less and let "We the people" sort it all out with boycotts, censure, and appeals to one's sense of humanity.

 

Society needs to be forced to do things. I know that kills you as a libertarian but it's the truth.

I realize you "don't support racial discrimination"(we were talking about gay discrimination) but not supporting it and turning a blind eye is indifference and actually supporting it. The status quo, so to speak. It takes people making a stand to change things, not just empty platitudes. You have to put skin in the game, and you as a lot of libertarians just say "let it play out".

“It may well be that we will have to repent in this generation. Not merely for the vitriolic words and the violent actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence and indifference of the good people who sit around and say, "Wait on time.”
― Martin Luther King

 

Society cannot be forced to do anything because society is nothing more than a vague concept.

When you say society you mean people and to force people to do anything is abominable. There is no justification for such aggression and force and makes those who seek such force or apologize for it as bad as any racist.

People have the right to discriminate in any wa they choose it is nothing more than freedom of association.

 

You libertarians jump the shark. Should gov't force society not to kill? Not to steal? Not to rape? Or should the populace be left to fend for itself and let the chips fall as they may?

 

No one can force society to do or not do anything, the fact is society is just a vague concept as I have already stated.

You cannot force a person not to kill or rape or steal either. If it were possible to do so we would not have any such crimes but we do. No one is forced not to do anything for are forbidden to do certain things or they face the governments justice system.

That is all a far cry from forcing people TO DO something or as you are advocating to think something. You are advocating the violation of human rights.

 

No one can force society to do or not do anything, the fact is society is just a vague concept as I have already stated.

You cannot force a person not to kill or rape or steal either. If it were possible to do so we would not have any such crimes but we do. No one is forced not to do anything for are forbidden to do certain things or they face the governments justice system.

That is all a far cry from forcing people TO DO something or as you are advocating to think something. You are advocating the violation of human rights.

Libertarians are correct and consistent you on the other hand are contradictory.

 

No you can't "force" people to do much, but I guarantee I could do it with duct tape and a cattle prod. Why do you guys go off on rants like these?

Society(There is such a thing. If you don't feel a part of a community I am sorry) does need parameters. Oddly enough, religion gave parameters to early society. Those parameters change.

This is above your head. You call ME static? You have a harshly rigid way of thinking. It is cult-like.

 

There's no reason for people to gather when we could just assign their votes for President according to the election results.

No.

 

What does? The baker case or the hypothetical fat guy case?

What have I said to make you think this?

 

So what is your point?

 

Interesting that this would occur to you and not to us.

 

What a goofy post, LOL. You can't see any difference between a law affirmatively forcing a guy to decorate a cake for a homosexual wedding and a law proscribing rape and murder?

You loves you some government, you and your cattle prods and duct tape.

 

Stop. You brought it to the slippery slope. I am intelligent. I will be here for awhile. Pick a play to make a 1st down.

 

How many liberals are there?

 

Four

 

Well they're probably considered Nazi's by the far left!

 

I would say Breyer, Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Kagan, but only Sotomayor (the "wise Latina") is utterly predictable.

All the others occasionally vote with the conservatives.

 

There is also a history of people asserting rights that don't exist and then screaming "discrimination" and filing stupid and ruinous lawsuits that do nothing but ruin businesses. This is one of them. Think about liberty instead of equality once in a while, if you are able.

 

I have seen no evidence of your intelligence. You lash out with ad hominems, insults, personal policy preferences, slippery slopes, and anger as a substitute for cool reason and citation to law.

This case has been to the Supreme Court. Even Elena Kagan (!) and Stephen Breyer (!!) agreed with the baker. You lost and you're still whining a week later. The case was not even remanded.

I'd tell you to get over it and move on to some fresh grievance, but I suspect that that's not in the cards.