Supreme Court dismisses second amendment case.

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Sackeshi, Apr 27, 2020.

  1. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2019
    Messages:
    11,335
    Likes Received:
    11,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    -- In a twist, after the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case, the city allowed licensed owners to take handguns to other locations, including second homes or shooting ranges outside city limits. In addition, the State of New York amended its handgun licensing statute to require localities to allow licensed gun owners to engage in such transport.

    ~ So ...? Seems all's well that ends well.
     
  2. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,339
    Likes Received:
    14,776
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So all of those that don't own guns also do not support gun ownership? It has nothing to do with city laws?
     
  3. aenigma

    aenigma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2015
    Messages:
    950
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Antwerp is pretty bad in terms of drugs yet nowhere near the amount of gundeaths like the US,
    there was a drugswar going on for the last 6years atleast with the occasional grenade explosions at the night (never any casualties) but somehow it doesnt translate into gundeaths here

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/01/antwerp-belgium-cocaine-capital-drugs-trade-pigeons

    total deaths belgium 2015
    1,24 of 100 000pop (1,03 suicide 0,14 homocide) with 6,86 guns
    total deaths USA 2017
    12,21 of 100 000pop (7,32 suicide 4,46 homocide) with 120,5 guns

    drugs itself seems unlikely to me since there is clear competition here to between colombian & albanian and others

    17-18 times the guns
    31-32 times the homocide deaths though
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
     
  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Except for the fact that it is not. The city of New York makes the process of legally acquiring a firearm as difficult as possible, to discourage as much firearms ownership as possible.
     
  5. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The key point being left out on the part of yourself in the above statement, is the simple fact that such has always been the case. Such details have always been a constant factor, rather than a recent development. Other countries have always experienced lower firearm-related homicide rates than the united states, even before they chose to implement significant firearm-related restrictions.

    More accurately it has to do with the culture, rather than the lack of firearms. The various asian nations of the world have never been opposed to committing killings and murders with knives and other bladed implements.

    Just recently the nation of China experienced a school stabbing incident that left nine individuals dead, easily rivaling and even exceeding a great many mass shootings in the united states.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43921567

    What countries do not have a lower rate of firearm-related murders than the united states? Point them out. show the nations that exceed the united states in this regard.
     
  6. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What is the annual homicide rate, rather than the firearm-related homicide rate?
     
    BasicHumanUnit2 likes this.
  7. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    It's not up for debate. 80% of America's gun crimes are directly related to gang activity.

    Take that 80% out of the equation and recalculate. You'll soon see that America is very safe compared to anywhere in the world.
    All gun laws do is make people victims and make government more authoritative.
     
    BasicHumanUnit2 likes this.
  8. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You left out the other 350,000 who have guns in NYC.
    But they city is unaware of them, except at crime scenes.
     
  9. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,655
    Likes Received:
    347
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Not a chance have you there are 12000 police officers in the city people know better that they are always watched then to try and sneak a gun in.

    Although the city should set up checkpoints going in since it would not slow the rate of traffic at all.
     
  10. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    New York gun laws virtually guarantee that the only people with guns are the police and criminals.
     
    chris155au and BasicHumanUnit2 like this.
  11. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are SO many things you don't know...
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2020
  12. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    No! You seem to be all about screwing over the constitution.
     
    BasicHumanUnit2 likes this.
  13. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wonderful. I'm so proud that NY has decided to ignore the Constitution.
    I wonder how long until NY cancels all the remaining Constitutional rights?

    I wonder if that's why everyone except the hard core Communists are fleeing NYC?
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2020
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    more than 60,000 gun owners in NYC.

    in the rest of the state? about 2 million
     
  15. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In every single thread where guns are mentioned.......

    No one who is opposed to gun ownership has ever admitted that maybe it's poor policies by Democrats (criminal leniency, Sanctuary cities, open borders, family interference for example), that has
    created any and all of the problems they rave about? They are never willing to discuss mental health and the fact that 90% of the crime with guns is committed by a very small percentage of the population.

    Explained: As most know, It is because most of these same people crave government with far stricter control over it's subjects. See Michigan Democrat governor during COVID-19
    Guns are explicitly about empowering people over government. See US Constitution.

    Unfortunately, Americans are slowly but steadily and willingly surrendering their Constitutional rights to these same people through inaction and acceptance.
     
    Robert E Allen likes this.
  16. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Isn't it a bit frightening that our Constitutional Rights can be arbitrarily over ruled by only 9 people (or less)?

    That is proof that the Founding Fathers NEVER imagined that so many people born under the US Constitution would turn against it.

    The left is slowly reinterpreting or selectively dismissing the US Constitution at the same time the rest of America continues to think that the Constitution will continue to protect them without their involvement....and ignoring the fact that they have been proven consistently wrong.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2020
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's the system our Founding Fathers created.
     
  18. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,655
    Likes Received:
    347
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    My priority is safety and then prosperity. Which is why public surveillance systems that are programmed to alert the city when they see someone walk out of a gun store or have something that looks like a gun.

    We have the technology might as well use it when people know there a 0% chance they are not going to be caught on tape they will either stop doing crime or flee to another jurisdiction where they know they can hide.
     
  19. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It wasn't their intent.

    Hence the 3 branches of government and the concept of "Balance of power"

    Hundreds of years ago, however, they were not able to conceive of the mass betrayal of Constitutional principles we see today in America.

    They mistakenly assumed that future generations of Americans would value the great nation they created. They were wrong apparently.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2020
  20. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,655
    Likes Received:
    347
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    technically no, the supreme court has no power to strike down laws or interpret the constitution they gave that to themselves. They court is aware that they need the backing of the public or they will lose their authority since it is not in the constitution.

    The supreme court is an appeals court not a constitutional court.
     
  21. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You know, if the Left is allowed to continue re-writing history, I'm sure eventually the Left will present their "new and improved" version of the Constitution and the media will confirm it's validity.

    And there will be more than ample public support of it all. The nations has changed. Future in doubt.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2020
  22. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Your priority is wrong. My priority is the constitution which protects us from peoole like you who want to control everything..

    80% of gun crimes are caused by gangs gangs don't buy guns from gun stores.. spying in gun stores is about as stupid as it gets.
    Crack down hard on gangs or your public saftey comments are completely bogus.
    I don't believe you care about public saftey at all. There is no evidence to suggest that you do. There is however evidence that you simply hate guns and gun owners and that is why you don't care about the constitution.

    Again, if you care about public saftey as it relates to guns, you HAVE to be for cracking down on gangs,yes mostly minirity gangs.
    Until then your words are meaningless politically motivated and factually wrong.
     
  23. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,655
    Likes Received:
    347
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    The founding fathers broke all conventional wisdom of how to make effective constitution.
     
  24. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,454
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, if we begin to talk of things they couldn't have imagined hundreds of years ago, someone on the left will no doubt quickly chime in that we don't need a 2nd Amendment in modern times.

    As if humankind has evolved past tyranny and corruption.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2020
  25. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And were successful beyond all imagination.
     
    Ddyad likes this.

Share This Page