Supreme Court says it will consider Louisiana abortion access law

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Are you pro life or pro choice

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    One example is a person's right to make their own medical decisions. No one can, say, force a cancer victim to have chemo treatments if they don't want them.

    NO on is obligated to use their physical body to sustain the life of another. No one can force another person to give them a kidney or heart or even blood


    Where TF did you get that? I never said it..



    Yes, there are really sick people who believe women are not human and don't deserve human rights.


    It's the Very Old Trite crap from sexists who think women should feel lucky they have any rights at all....That's horsepuckey!!!

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    By whom ? Where?


    Could you rephrase that in English ??
     
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    MOST people want to decide for themselves what medical treatments they get or don't get.

    MOST people want to decide for themselves who they can and cannot marry.

    MOST people do NOT believe they should be forced to give someone else a body part.

    MOST people want to decide for themselves if they will have kids or not.

    MOST people don't want to be FORCED to have an abortion.

    MOST people want to decide for themselves if they use birth control or not.

    MOST people want to decide for themselves what will happen to their body upon their death.



    That's MOST people.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Manipulated you.
     
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    :) And no answer for the rest of my post you "forgot" to include.



    Do you find nothing wrong with some people taking you to a hospital by force and taking your heart out and giving it to another without your permission or consent?
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Why are you equating organ harvesting to abortion bans? Also yes if someone calls 911 and you get taken to the hospital you have to do what they tell you, you are not free to make your own choices

    When you talked about living people being forced to give a kidney or heart.

    Good so you acknowledge that the GOP and has people lined up to become judges who are anti women 100% so then you should be more willing to drop the abortion issue get the genuine pro lifers on our side and prevent yourself from literally losing all your rights.

    By these people https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...l-photo-series-asks-women-to-talk-about-their
     
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    The SUPREMES an work on the Louisiana abortion access case but they ether not overturn the Louisiana Purchase or I will be pissed.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    What? did you say?
     
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    The SUPREMES can work on the Louisiana Access case but they better not overturn the Louisiana Purchase. It's just history buff's humor.
     
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    I'm not.



    You are ONLY taken IF you agree to be taken. You do NOT have to do what doctors tell you. What country do you live in where people are forced to accept medical aid???






    I never said, ""illegal abortion equals organ harvesting."" It doesn't but FORCING people to give organs to sustain the life of another IS the same as FORCING people to sustain the life of a fetus.

    Do you know the difference between being FORCED and doing something voluntarily? It doesn't appear you do...

    Your imagination and fairy tales are not facts.


    So what? That doesn't apply to everyone who believes women have rights too.




    Do you find nothing wrong with some people taking you to a hospital by force and taking your heart out and giving it to another without your permission or consent?
     
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    Do you find nothing wrong with some people taking you to a hospital by force and taking your heart out and giving it to another without your permission or consent?
     
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    The male does not get to "abort their parental responsibility" because the male has no physical role in the pregnancy. The rights are not equal because the situations are not equal. After birth, the mother and father's rights are on equal footing.
     
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    Why do you think people get so freaked out when someone calls for the ambulance? Because you have to go with them, they legally can not leave a patient because if they do and that person dies or gets seriously hurt they are liable and could lose their license. You try declining to go to the ER via an ambulance if someone claims you you say had a seizure.
    Either you are saying that you think if they ban abortion they will next force people to give up organs who are still alive, or you don't beleive they will do that and you are using a false slippery slope argument. Which one is it?

    Will you denounce those who wear abortion as a sense of pride?
    Yes, but you see this never has and never will be the case in this country because they are under an oath of do no harm, which means they must do everything in their power to help an individual with the least harm and without harming another individual in the process
     
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    Lets say a man and woman end up conceiving after a one night stand, the father wants the baby the mother does not but though tricks and games the father get the baby born, if the mother then wants to give the baby up for adoption but the father want to take the baby home with him, would you agree that the mother loses all rights to that baby, or that she loses custody (for trying to give it away) but now has to pay child support? Is the father then allowed to find another woman to be the replacement mother for his baby?
     
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    Of course he does, there is no pregnancy without his contribution. If it isn't a baby as the baby killers insist, then it is property and the male has every right to demand his contribution back, barring unnecessary surgical procedures, then a legal non-invasive method, such as aborting the males parental rights would be totally acceptable. Better to not kill babies at all, but if you insist, then it better be fair...
     
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    I really don't know how custody works, you'd have to ask a family lawyer. But once the child is born, this is no longer an issue that has anything to do with abortion.
     
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    No, he doesn't. And in reality, there is no "taking back" sperm.

    Fair does not mean equal. It is FAIR to give the mother rights over her body and everything in it including the pregnancy since she alone bears the entire brunt of it, both during and after the pregnancy. It is not fair to give the father control over the mother's body just because he contributed some sperm.

    Mother's carry the pregnancy and males do not. If you've got a problem with that, blame evolution for leading to sexual reproduction that occurs entirely inside of a mother's body.
     
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    Equal means equal, therefore males must have equal say in the birthing or murdering of their babies. Its pretty simple. Clearly I prefer the birthing, but if you are going to allow for the murdering, males need an equal say. End of story, you can't be special and equal. Otherwise I'd expect all talk of glass ceilings and whatnot to cease utterly and completely. Until equality in all things is on the table, there should no further movement in anything...
     
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    None of what you said has any legal or common sense basis.
     
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    Yup. How many males have died from complications of pregnancy. End of story.
     
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    Equal under the law. That is the only basis required. Look at like this, if its her womb, her choice, then its her responsibility, and the male has absolutely no obligation to her. Except that it isn't just her womb when money comes into it. The double standards that surround the baby killing industry are as astounding as they are disgusting. Either males need the opportunity to abort their responsibility, as females have, or they need to end the practice altogether, there can be no other way in country that seeks equality for all under the law...
     
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    You are wrong. No one can force a person into an ambulance if they don't want to go. You don't know the law.


    What I said was : ""I never said, ""illegal abortion equals organ harvesting."" It doesn't but FORCING people to give organs to sustain the life of another IS the same as FORCING people to sustain the life of a fetus.

    Do you know the difference between being FORCED and doing something voluntarily? It doesn't appear you do...""""


    I was trying (in vain) to explain to you about bodily autonomy. One cannot be forced to use their body to sustain the life of another.







    Why should I? I don't know anyone who "wear abortion as a sense of pride " since that phrase makes no sense whatsoever.

    That's in response to """Do you find nothing wrong with some people taking you to a hospital by force and taking your heart out and giving it to another without your permission or consent?"""

    And it is no answer....you didn't say if you think it would be wrong.


    It WILL be the case if people lose the right to bodily autonomy. It IS the case if women lose the right to an abortion, they will be FORCED to use their body to sustain the life of another.


    IF YOU don't have to then why should women have to?
     
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    Uh, what "tricks and games " gets a woman to gestate for 9 months ? :)



    She isn't punished in any way for wanting to adopt it out...she doesn't lose rights to a kid that she wants to adopt out.....WTF?




    Who TF are you referring to....your sentence is so garbled...


    WHAT!!!???



    LOL!
     
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    So you want men to be able to say, "abort" and then the woman has to ????
     
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    Only if you are clearly able to both understand the situation and consequences of not receiving treatment which is left up to the EMT to decide.

    As for the rest of what you said, abortion STOPS a NATURAL PROCESS with a clear method of starting. The baby does not get in the womb without action being taken before hand.
     
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    Men can get an abortion any time they want, just like women they are free to have an abortion....so it's equal :)

    Now, if only men could be forced to stay pregnant then it would be even more equal :)
     
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