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Supreme Court says it will consider Louisiana abortion access law

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Sackeshi, Oct 4, 2019.

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Care to address the post you quoted?

    ""A newBORN is a baby. There is no, and was no, argument that it isn't.

    AND, once born, has NO bearing on the abortion issue.

    Correct terminology is of concern in the abortion issue.


    WHY call a fetus a baby in relation to the abortion issue?""
     
    FoxHastings, Oct 18, 2019
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Because people feel a lot less content when thinking about aborting/killing a baby than abortion/killing a fetus. It has emotional weight, which is why people get so upset when you say "baby killer" and not "fetus killer"
     
    Sackeshi, Oct 18, 2019
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  3. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The govt sometimes engages in illegal/unlawful activity.

    Social stability is all govt is good for. When govt steps outside of that mission is when it becomes tyrannical.
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 18, 2019
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  4. FoxHastings

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    :) Which is hardly an honest argument...

    GOOD arguments are based on facts, not emotions...
     
    FoxHastings, Oct 18, 2019
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Partially.

    They're also used to pay for remote guided bombs and hurling them at civilians.

    Whats your point?
     
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    modernpaladin, Oct 18, 2019
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it the case that private health providers are participating in the state's health system and that the state is allowing them to participate? Isn't that how it works in the US?
     
    chris155au, Oct 18, 2019
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  7. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im not entirely certain whether they're 'allowed' to participate, 'incentivized' to participate, coerced to participate or forced to participate.
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 18, 2019
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    Therefore, according to your own perception above, ALL laws pertaining to the military are ABUSE!
     
    Derideo_Te, Oct 19, 2019
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    What? Why the hell would they be FORCED to participate?
     
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    chris155au, Oct 19, 2019
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    Not sure what you mean.
    Whats an example of a 'law pertaining to the military'?
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 19, 2019
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    If, for example, it were mandated that all HCPs honor a nationalized health insurance to or they lose liscence to practice medicine, that would be force.
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 19, 2019
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    Isn't your idea of "social stability" based on your own personal set of morals?
     
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    Because it doesn't matter what issue we're discussing, we are using the English language and that is the way that I choose to use it.
     
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    What do you mean "honor" it? And would it be force or would it be compulsion? The government can only compel behaviour, it can't force it.
     
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    Military funding legislation, declarations of war, mutual defense treaties like NATO.
     
    Derideo_Te, Oct 19, 2019
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    I suppose that depends whether you think freedom and prosperity are moral issues.
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 19, 2019
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    Honor= abide, respect, obey.

    Thats a dinstinction without a difference. When armed men show up at your door to kill or imprison you, doesnt really matter that they're offering you the choice to be compelled to prison or forced to die. You can call it either one, doesnt change anything.
     
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    and which of those do not promote social order? (NATO prolly doesn't anymore. It used to, but it does seem more like a 'Western Club' nowdays. I prefer we be rid of it).
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 19, 2019
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    Using those laws to....

    ...is PROMOTING "social order"?
     
    Derideo_Te, Oct 19, 2019
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    You don't?
     
    chris155au, Oct 19, 2019
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Correct terminology is of concern in the abortion issue.
    WHY call a fetus a baby in relation to the abortion issue?




    I think it does matter …..IF one wants to look knowledgeable about their position/argument/case..


    Seems Anti-Choicers want to call a fetus anything they want but when another person calls it by the correct grownup word, the Anti-Choicers start screaming and insist it's a baby..


    Well , we are using the English language and that is the way that I choose to use it....correctly.

    The reason for incorrect usage:
    Post #377


    :) Which is hardly an honest argument...

    GOOD arguments are based on facts, not emotions...
     
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    See if the supreme court rules in favor of Louisiana then, all the pro choicers are going to have to fights state by state, and that will mean you guys will retreat to your safe states, and leave the pro lifers to do as they please in other states.

    The facts are that pro choicers are just one court ruling away from losing at least half the country. It's easy for state level democrats to say "we are going to protect abortion rights" when they have the courts backing them, but when they actually will have to vote on such divisive legislation and risk their seats, they will cower in all purple states. West coast and north east will be the only territory the pro choice will still have
     
    Sackeshi, Oct 19, 2019
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  23. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    :) Which is hardly an honest argument...

    GOOD arguments are based on facts, not emotions...




    Which is not only ridiculous(and based on EMOTION rather than FACT :) ) but has NOTHING to do with the post of mine you quoted...or the issue we were discussing..
     
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    I said it's based on political fast :)
     
    Sackeshi, Oct 19, 2019
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    How would it be force? The HCP's could choose to get out of the health business.
     
    chris155au, Oct 19, 2019
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