Syria & Russia Advance On Aleppo

You're dead wrong. The US response to the murder of 241 US marines in lebanon in 1983 directly led to more terrorist attacks against US personnel overseas, including civilians, leading right up to 9/11. Bin laden himself said it was actions the US took (or did not take) overseas that led to the 9/11 attack, so what happens overseas does affect US national security.

 

The lack of credibility is shown by a person who claims that one should be more grateful to the hand that stabs you to death 10 times instead of the other murderer who stabs you 20 times.

For the credible, here is a long, long list of pogroms and attacks of jews by muslims over the past 1,000 or so years. Not really much of a difference between the christians and muslims' horrific mistreatment of jews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

 

What on earth does this have to do with your Syria ? How is the lebanon 1983 incident comparable and how does this relate to the national security threat. You are grasping at straws here. How am I dead wrong ? explain.

Sending US troops into a conflict zone (where people are firing at each other) and saying ... that the side supporting the side opposite to the side the US joins is a threat to the "US" in general is absolutely mindless twaddle. Syria is not and never has been a threat to US security = threat to US soil.

You are correct in stating that Bin Laden's rational for attacking the US was due to them messing around in ME affairs. Again ... this has zero to do with Syria as Bin Ladin was Syria's enemy.

Syria is Secular and Al Qaeda wants Strict Sharia. Assad's secular regime is hated by Al Qaeda/Al Nusra and the other extremists even more than the "US infidel"

 

Syrian Army uses Russian made thermobaric multiple launch system TOS-1A.

[video=youtube;3SrKZd5tpNo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SrKZd5tpNo[/video]

 

The F-22 has been in combat but of course nowhere near the amount of combat the F-15 has been in.

Current F-22 pilots are primarily former F-15 pilots and as far as they are concerned the F-22 Raptor is many times more lethal than an F-15.

Considering these pilots have flown the best fighter aircraft in history in the F-15....I think it's safe to say we can take their word for it.

The F-35 is a Stealth Aircraft and aside from an F-22....no pilot alive would want to go up against one.

AboveAlpha

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And you can continue to complain about the U.S. all you want.

AboveAlpha

 

The attack on the Marine barracks was payback for Sabra and Shatilla... Ariel Sharon betrayed Reagan.

 

The housing of the Marines in Lebanon was one of the most idiotic things ever done.

If it was up to me I would have had those responsible for placing the Marines in that building SHOT!

AboveAlpha

 

Just to add....the day that Reiseführer of the Luftwaffe Herman Göring walked out of a building in Berlin and saw American B-17 Bombers being escorted by P-51 Mustangs.....Göring verbally said out loud...."We have just LOST the war."

The ability of having the range to escort American B-17's and then B-29 Bombers distances that included providing air cover for American Bombers all the way to BERLIN....was a capability that Reiseführer of the Luftwaffe Herman Göring KNEW would result in Nazi Germany losing the war.

THAT...is how important and how great of a GAME CHANGER the American Supercharged P-51 Mustang was and P-51's were credited with a number of victories as they destroyed even the Nazi Jet Fighter the Me-109.

AboveAlpha

 

It was the muslims who started the violence in lebanon, which was a christian-run paradise until the muslims came in and began agitating, particularly thef filthy animal arafat...hmmmm, sounds like what europe will be in about 15 years.

 

I have been to Beirut more times than I can count.. Many of my school chums attended ACS or AUB..

The demographics of Lebanon was turned on its head with the influx of Palestinian refugees in 1948 and 1967..

The Israelis schemed and plotted to overthrow the Lebanese government and install a mid-level Christian military officer who would be friendly towards Israel.

 

You stated that what happens overseas does not affect the US and its national security interests, which is patently false, and not just from an economic standpoint.

Once the decision has been made to send US troops into a country (iraq), if another country is aiding and abetting those attacking US troops, then they are an enemy of the US and should be treated as such. Syria is a puppet of iran, whose publicly stated goals for decades has been the destruction of the US, so they are to be treated as a single noxious enemy.

That syria was an enemy of the bin laden does not mean he is an ally in any way of the US. saddam and iran were enemies, and by the late 1980s both were mortal enemies of the US.

Whether a dictatorship has a "secular-leaning" dictator is meaningless tripe spewed by the anti-america crowd, he is aligned with iran - an extreme theocracy - and has harbored hamas and assisted hezbollah for decades. You are either to young to remember or ignorant, but hezbollah has murdered plenty of americans abroad, and is an agent of a mortal enemy of the US, iran.

 

The ME-109 was not a jet fighter. You are thinking of the ME-262. My father had the dubious distinction of having been shot down by one, so he ought to know. His B-17 was shot down near Plauen on March 28, 1945. He was the only survivor and actually met the pilot, Major Weisenberg, that shot down his plane.

Further, the American bombers went beyond the range of the P-51 and completed missions without fighter escort, as was the case of my father's bomb group that day. Also, I don't think the B-29 was used in the European theater.

 

Margot I don't know much about the history, but it appears to me there are reasons the Palestinians were denied entrance and/or citizenship in nations such as Saudi Arabia. Were they being forced into non Islamic ones like Lebanon for some religious/political expansionist agenda? Maybe the same agenda that Erdogan has in sending million of migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, etc. into Europe?

 

No you don't know much about history.. There were 50,000 Palestinians in Arabia when I was a child.

 

Aleppo ...

My historical attitude makes me think to a kind of "course". That city, Aleppo ... now they should take over Antiochia, Edessa and then Jerusalem. Is there a general in the Russian expedition to Syria carrying the name Gottfried?

 

There are no Arabs listed in the Waffen SS roles of foreign volunteers.

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But were they given citizenship in Saudi Arabia? From what I read, I don't believe so. I say this because I know that once land has been lived on by Muslims, it is considered Islamic 'holyland'. Therefore it must remain under Islamic control, or returned to Islam if they had regained their freedom in the past. What the Muslims suffer in order to regain control of that land for Islam... such as the Palestinians, is considered their fate in life.

This of course threatens all nations with Muslim enclaves such as France, Belgium, Britain, etc., since the land they live on would now be considered Muslim 'holyland'. It also threatens nations formerly under Islam...such as Spain, Greece, Serbia, etc.

 

Stealth does not mean complete invisibility and, according to the Australians and the Canadians (two countries which were looking at buying the F 35) it is not a great aircraft an they go into a fair bit of detail as to why.

 

If Russia, Syria, and ISIS destroy each other... I don't any janitors will get fired. Taking out the trash is why we pay janitors.




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The Russians were invited into Syria by the legally elected president of Syria. They are the only ones who have shown an actual concern towards the Syrian people. Anything contrary to this, is coming out of the western propaganda machines to cover up their own atrocities, such as bombing the water purification plant, and leaving two million people with no choice but to leave or risk dying of cholera.

Everyone other than Russia, Iran and Hezbollah has no legal right to be there. If they are there, it is only to serve their own agenda for their own geo political reasons. This might surprise you, but the land of Syria does not belong either to the US, Turkey, Israel, France, Britain, etc. Like all land, it belongs to the people who live on it.

 

Do you think so?

Is Russian welcoming and hosting millions of Syrian refugees?
As for I know Turkey and EU are hosting those Syrian refugees ... it seems that Moscow wants aid Assad first ...

P.S. about sovereignty of Syrian ... once the Islamic State has invaded, it's possible, also for not invited powers, to intervene against the Islamic State to ... preserve the sovereignty of Syria [imagine!].

 

Russia is in Syria actually doing something to create the conditions that will allow Syrians to stay in their own country and also for refugees to have a country to return home to.

Some might think that's 'kind of important' as opposed to creating the conditions that force them to leave, as the US and its Euro-vassals have done, along with others.

 

Nice ... but why now? Why not years ago? When the civil war in Syria started, Russians had their own base at Tartus ... why didn't Moscow show all this interest for Syrian people from the beginning of the crisis?