Taiwan in Trouble!

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  1. AARguy

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    The scenario that worries that Pentagon most is the one I described... ship-borne nukes with a mid-America EMP attack.
    Uxv's (x" being surface, subsurface and air) definitely are changing the landscape. That is a tactical, not strategic issue.
    The other game changer is EMP. Systems like our "CHAMP" will drastically change any future battlefield. CHAMP is fully fielded. And we have given CHAMP to Israel which has fully deployed it now too.
    Oh, and by the way, if you're delivering nukes, a CEP of 50 meters is probably good enough.
     
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    Taiwan has had over 7 decades to develop a nuclear deterrent.
     
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    Blood ties [genetics] may prove to be a stronger force.
     
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    So are you saying that the USA should not go to war with China to save Taiwan from its Communist brothers?
     
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    I know you are Jewish but I'm still surprised that you have fallen for the Israeli propaganda as it relates to their capabilities to damage Iran's nuclear program. None of what Israel has done have accomplished anything except speed up Iran's nuclear program. And the only reason Iran hasn't developed nukes despite being fully capable of doing so on short notice for many years now (over a decade) is because Iran hasn't made the political decision to do so, here probably because it has chickened out by threats that the US/Israel will in fact use nukes against Iran if it does so. (That is, in fact, the only reason I give some minor credence (<10% chance) to the idea that Iran may have decided its safer to build its nuclear deterrent out of the country in N Korea).

    But if Israel pulls the stunts (no matter how ineffective) it was pulling during the Rouhani administration now, when Iran has a different group of people in charge and now much more aligned with Iran's revolutionary guards, it will one day wake up and see something similar to what happened Saudi Arabia and the Aramco facilities, except the target could be the one Iran recently blew up in real-size mock-up form, i.e. Israel's Dimona nuclear reactor.
     
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    I'm saying a war would not be necessary if Taiwan's ethnic Han realize their genetic future is with their Han brothers in China.
     
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    How well do their Han brothers realize their genetic futures every time the CCP culls the population?
     
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    Do you know specifically who is being "culled" ??
     
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    Cambodia and Laos fell with Sth Vietnam. The clever dicks who wanted to make out
    the 'Vietnam War' was only about 'unification' and 'nationalism' were forced to ignore
    the SAME war going on in Cambodia and Laos.
    These nations were dominos, but the dominos couldn't go any further because Thais
    loved their monarchy, and Communism was confined to the Chinese in Malaysia, and
    the British beat them.
    I understand what you mean. But look at a map of the Communist empire - it mostly
    spreads from existing nations, ie Russia outward to Easter Europe, and China down
    through Kora and Indo China.
    That it technically didn't - did happen isn't the point. I admire the effort America made
    to stop Communism. Somewhere between one hundred and one hundred and fifty
    million people died under Communism - Nth Korea vs Sth Korea is a telling example
    of whether you think the characters in MASH got it right when they said the Korean war
    was a waste of effort.
     
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    In 1957 Laos had a coalition government (royalists and and the left). This government was reportedly undone by the US. There was another coalition government in 1962. By the late 50s the commies controlled much of Laos. This was long before the fall of South Vietnam.

    With respect to Cambodia, US bombing is credited by some with contributing to the rise of the the Khmer Rouge. The PAVN invaded Cambodia in 1979 to overthrow Khmer Rouge. Not exactly a demonstration of monolithic communism.

    I think Korea was probably a necessary war. The Domino Theory probably was valid before the death of Stalin, although even before his death the honeymoon with China was over. The idea of a limited war was arguably a mistake and the very thing that is apparently being proposed now by some for Taiwan.

    The Domino theory in action in Laos.
    https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/voices-from-the-plain-of-jars/
     
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    There were socialists/marxists in the USA long before Russia and China fell to them.

    US Presidents Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson allied with so-called "democratic" revolutionaries who destroyed Russia's 1000 year old monarchy. This severely weakened Russia and paved the way for the marxist/bolshevik revolution just a few months later.
     
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    Not being Jewish I have nothing close to the inherent understanding of Israeli politics you seem to think that entails.

    I just know that Israel has a really big AF for such a small country and loves to use it.
     
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    Imperialism is just as stupid, and a bottomless pit of wasted lives and money.
     
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    Just ask the Iraqis about their Osirak reactor and the Begin Doctrine... whistle_zpse7930712.gif
     
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    The Syrians lost their Nth Korean reactor too, thanks to the Israeli air force
    and some clever manipulation of their SAM batteries.
     
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    Please don't say 'Kmer Rouge'
    just say 'Cambodian Communist Party'
    French Marxists, like deer in the headlights, were caught out when Hanoi published the terrors
    of the Cambodian Communists. Shouldn't have happened. Who exposed Stalin or Mao or Ho
    Chi Minh to the Western press? No-one at the time. So this was new, it really did show that the
    war wasn't about 'liberation' or 'unification' or 'equality' or the 'new man.'
    Hanoi set up puppet Communist governments and the Cambodians weren't buying it. Hanoi had to
    justify it's 'liberation' of Cambodia, second time round.

    What to do in the nation that 'educated' many of these Indo Chinese Marxists? Easy, give them
    a new name. Call them 'Khmer Rouge' instead of 'typical bloodbath Communists.' That's how the
    Western Left washed it hands of unwanted publicity.
     
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    My bad. Sorry.

    Unless Iran is successfully duped into another JCPOA (nuclear agreement) where Iran's nuclear facilities are severly limited and put back in a single exposed location that can then be taken out by a military strike, Israel's air force is irrelevant to even make a dent against Iran's nuclear program.

    Even if Iran is duped again under the combined pressures it faces from within and without and signs into another JCPOA, since Iran's nuclear program is indigenous and not reliant on anyone or anything from outside, it would take Iran 2-3 years to rebuild the parts that can be damaged or destroyed by military action.
     
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    While the Israelis deployed the "Scorpios" system recently, for now, that is mostly for show and won't affect the military calculations. Down the road, further development of offensive and defensive 'EMP' systems, can indeed become game changers unless counter systems to checkmate them prove easier to make than these systems themselves.
     
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    Iran's nuclear "program" is another ploy to keep its mullahs powerful and its people cowed into supporting it. Our and the Israelis violent opposition plays right into their hands.
     
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    COLD WAR II: Australia, Japan sign ‘historic’ defence pact amid China concerns.
    Xi Jinping deserves the credit for this.
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    The "mullahs", with few exceptions here and there, are a corrupt and corrupted bunch supported only because they are better than the presently viable alternatives. But if they commit another act of grand treachery and sign into another JCPOA, this time (unlike in 2015) with everyone in Iran knowing its just a fraud, they will be gone quickly. And I certainly won't be shedding a tear for them. But if they show the balls to do what they need to be doing (and this isn't merely about nukes). then they will be able to claim to have fulfilled a positive role in the grander scheme of Iranian history.
     
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    This should be enough for even the treacherous voices in Iran trying to revive the fraud aka JCPOA to know that is NOT where they should be going.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-i...red-iran-nuke-deal-better-than-talks-failing/
    IDF intel chief reportedly says restored Iran nuke deal better than talks failing
    Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva quoted telling ministers that an agreement would increase certainty about limits on Tehran’s nuclear work, better position Israel for a possible escalation
     
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    which case you refer too, they kill their own to slow japanese offense in WWII? also alot thing happen after WWI like geneva conventions. I dont think killing millions chinese to save taiwan is right at all, even mention of this means no ally will join our fight. furthermore, doing that just mean escalate to nuclear war. China could also say, they gonna nuke LA if we get involved, but we all know there is no winner in nuclear war.
     
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    the issue is they are still in state of civil war, there weren't any cease fire agreement between ROC and PRC since 1930s. Taiwan could announce independence in the 60/70s, they miss that chance. Now china become more powerful each year, and the cost to defend taiwan become higher and higher every year.
    would we willing to lose tens thousands american, shattered world economy, maybe even nuclear war or wwiii to defend taiwan? when taiwan themself dont even spend 4% gdp in defense, which is what we are spending. Taiwan basically expect US to fight their war. If taiwan truly want to prepare themself from mainland invasion, they would spend at least 4% gdp in defense, arm its citizen like we do here in american, National military service like israel where all those over 18 need to join military. fortify its cities and surrounding with bunker/tunnels etc etc, they didn't do ANY of that. basically they are saying, america, fight for us.
    we are not talk about a 3rd rate state like afahan/iraq, look how the afahan war goes. China is on an entire different lvl, in term of population, economy, size, resource, manufacture and military. I would say they are overall more powerful than USSR, USSR never dream to have the economy/population, and manufacture capability of modern china. China current military spending is not even 2% of their GDP, if push it, they can increase their spending to 5% + or even 10% like USSR did. they can easily increase their nuclear stockpile into the thousands if they choose too.
    also china is not gonna invade taiwan within 5/10 years. they can bide their time, by 2035 or 2040s their military is gonna be much more powerful than right now. taiwan is not going anywhere, china already waited 70 yrs, whats another 20yrs.
     
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    1. It is obvious that Trump set up this deal to make it happen under Biden. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (only canceled due to backlash).

    2. No POTUS in the history of this country could have ever predicted a suicide bomber outside an airport so you are wrong to claim Biden killed them. He didn't. He screws up enough stuff for real. Pick on him about that.
     
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