Tea Party Express to Hold Rally w/Ron Paul in Austin,TX

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  1. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Ron Paul were black, was born in Nigeria, and had not set foot on US soil until 2008, I would still vote for him over the criminals who have inhabited the white house in the last 150 years. It's what he represents, not his person, that matters. What you are telling us is that all you care about is the image of the President. What he does in office is of no import, so long as he is popular and has the right letter next to his name.

    Meanwhile, you, the racially sensitive one (apparently) are still supporting politicians who continue the racist war on drugs, the racist minimum wage programs, racist dependency programs, racist gun-seizure programs, and the disenfranchisement of millions of minorities through the criminal injustice system. Yeah, Ron Paul is your enemy, because he would end racist policies that you tacitly support.
     
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    I would like to see links to all these race wars you are claimimg. I hope you understand why the minimum wage law was enacted.

    Also the Teaparty support Paul there is already a name for it called the KKK!
     
  4. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Here's a start:
    http://www.fff.org/comment/com0303e.asp

    Why is alcohol legal? Is it because rich whites use it?
     
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    If those statistics are accurate that does seem pretty disproportionate.
     
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    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The minimum wage laws were enacted to protect union jobs, primarily held by whites, from competition by lowered skilled workers, who are primarily poor minorities. That you believe that it's for the good of poor people is only because you believe whatever politicians tell you. What they don't tell you, but is clear from a brief analysis of BLS statistics, is that the minimum wage has lead to upwards of 40% and even 50% unemployment among young black males. These are kids looking for jobs but cannot get them because the amount they can produce does not overcome the cost of employing them. It is a system that not only exacerbates poverty, but one that forces young men into black market jobs where they are far more likely to wind up incarcerated or dead; and, either way, without the legitimates means to support a family.

    The drug war has always come down the harshest on black people. They are the ones who are over-represented in the prison population, particularly on drug charges. The black market created by prohibition harms urban neighborhoods the most, as gangs, flush with cash and wanting more, recruit children to sell their products and use violence to protect territory. Those caught up in the injustice system lose a lifetime of potential as they are saddled with criminal records that prevent them from obtaining decent jobs in the future. It also breaks up families and keeps minority families dependent on welfare. And, of course, it keeps those welfare dependent families out of white neighborhoods.

    In the late 80's there was a huge push to ban the so-called "Saturday Night Specials", cheap handguns favored primarily by minorities who used them as an affordable means of self-defense. Gun control advocates used every scare tactic in the book to get the weapons banned and any possessor of one criminalized. That is a direct way to disarm poor minorities and leave them even more defenseless in their prohibition-fueled drug gang ridden neighborhoods. And you probably felt good about those laws when they were passed. It's only recently that production costs on quality handguns have come down enough that poor people can afford that level of quality. It'll be interesting to see what the next push is to get them out of the hands of people who scare good, white liberals.

    So here's why the cries of racism over Ron Paul are so ironic. No matter Paul's personal feelings, he would end these programs that oppress minorities. On the other hand, those calling Paul racist tacitly support these programs by voting for the politicians who generally expand them. So, I'll take the personal racist who will free my fellow Americans from the police state, over the bleeding-heart-liberal who will enslave them even further out of some twisted, patronizing benevolence.
     
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    Better than the idiotic liberal groups. This country is more divided than it has been in years thanks to Obama.

    I'm sorry we believe in individual equality. Not equal outcome, quotas, minority preference, etc.
     
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    The racist are the democrats. More lies and democrat talking points that have been proven wrong
     
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    Excellent post....and hats off to you for having more patience with trolls than I.
     
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    excellent post!

    Thanks for taking the time and writing something meaningful and accurate. So much crap being posted on this forum its hard to come here anymore.

    the person spamming this thread constantly calling Ron Paul a racist and playing dumb is more than likely a troll. By the thread count I would be willing to bet he/she is someone who either got banned before or made another account for a fresh trolling start. It doesnt take much research...2 minutes or less to see that Ron Paul never wrote those articles. Just more crap on these boards. At least it drew out a well written response by ken.

    I was happy to see that the tea party in Texas is supporting Ron Paul. The man is for limited government, reduced taxes, fiscal responsibility and changing the establishment republicans back to conservatism. That was why I used to go to Tea Party rallies, that is why I used to support them. That was before they sold out to the neo-cons in a power grab instead of staying true to their ideals and changing the party from the bottom up , the long hard way.. The way of the people. I guess there is still hope that the Tea Party can be what they originally intended.
     
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    Well that's a different definition entirely. Those policies have a possibility of being supported by racists.
     
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    It's impossible for a libertarian to be racist. Racism is a form of collectivism... which is the complete opposite of individualism.
     
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    very simple...you are human. It is a human trait. Politics has nothing to do with natural instincts. here is "1" link for you. You are welcome to explore further if you wish. Racist is not actually a bad word. How you carry your racism is however.

    http://www.philforhumanity.com/Everyone_is_Racist.html
     
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    For clarification, I am thinking of racism as a feeling of superiority to individuals of a different race than yourself.

    Assuming your article is true..everyone could be naturally inclined to have racist traits, but that does not mean people cannot dismiss those tendencies if they realize it is morally wrong. Or if they were raised in an environment where everyone was so mixed that race never mattered...

    Vegetarians don't eat meat even though we were made to eat meat. They can overcome that natural tendency because they believe it is morally wrong.
    Whether you like the example or not, the principle is true. People don't have to think another race is inferior. It just takes an open mind. It isn't hard at all.

    As for all Libertarians not being racist... I would like to believe this is true. Although there are probably some Libertarians who are racist. But on a much much smaller scale than other political parties, just because of the principles you have to believe in to be Libertarian.
     
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    You just aren't capable of seeing the forest for the trees. Every living human is racist in some fashion. it's impossible not to think so. Some people don't like pants below the butt, but there are those who covet the practice. You might hear someone speaking with an East Indian accent and inwardly giggle as they talk...racist. Some people feel it is right to circumcise a woman, I don't and you probably don't, that makes us racist because we don't believe as they do. Some people pray to animals but we don't and we think it's wrong...racist again. The lists are endless, the point is that the word racist has been wrongly entered into our language to mean someone evil when in fact it is normal to hold your race above others and hold your values above other values. it's not wrong, it just "is".
     
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    No, I see what you're saying. I think it applies to something other than racism though. More of a phenomenon among people when dealing with unfamiliar situations. Your examples are describing societal trends, not trends strictly among races.

    But the most common definition of racism in the general public, the definition that the media uses, is one of superiority. So if you say so and so is racist, you say he thinks some race(s) is/are inferior to his own. In this respect, I do not believe everyone is racist, simply because everyone does not believe this. As proof, I know that I do not believe this. I might take note of what color you may be but only in the same way as I would take note of your hair color or eye color.
     
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    Ahhh nice try minimum wage was established because companies took advantage of labor work force. I had to stopr right there because it had nothing to do with Unions or white people. The whole start of your post is a complete lack of history and why the minimum wage laws were brought forth. I guess Paul supporters want to go back to company ownened towns, and sweatshops, and child labor. Like I said Paul and The Tea Party are nothing more than angry white people
     
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    Perhaps the point I am trying to make is that racism does not have to be a bad or evil word. I have never in my life "hated" anyone. Not one living person. I don't know how to hate. I know what I don't like and what I do like, but people I don't hate. Cultural differences that are extreme, like eating dog meat, lends itself to racism. I would never eat a dog and I would think less of someone who did because of "my" belief(s). Those who love dog meat would think, if not call me, a racist. I think you and I are very, very close on what we feel, we just express it differently.
     
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    Yes, I think you're right. We just have different ways of defining it. It was a good discussion!

    But let's get back to the real topic haha, we trailed off a bit.

    I think it's good that the Tea Party will be with Dr. Ron Paul in Texas, definitely makes sense over Romney. The Tea Party is known for being very conservative, after all.
     
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    Texas is his home. It would be an affront not to back him one would think. The person I wanted to run for president doesn't exist. I wanted one with the quick wit of Gingrich, the constitutional awareness of Paul, the presidential stature of Romney and the intestinal fortitude of Andrew Jackson. Being as that may, I lean very much toward Romney, but I also see that he is such a "nice person", I can't imagine him battling it out tooth and nail with Obama, it simply doesn't appear to be in his nature...again, upbringing. Paul I feel might just take us a bit too far into isolationism, not that we couldn't use a few minutes of it.
     
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    What are those principles exactly??
     
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    That's insane. Libertarians are no more, or less, likely to be racist than Democrats or Republicans.
     

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