That statue in England that ended up in the bay?

I live in Western society due to my accident of birth.
The same Western society that in the past deliberately and efficiently codified race for monetary gain in the slave trade.

 

That's what they all did. And some tossed unwanted slaves to lions or crocs, or
simply ate them.
So what nation are you going to go live in, seeing how you are ashamed of your
civilization and its achievements?
And by achievements I mean helping feed Africans, bringing vaccines to Asians,
freeing slaves from Arab nations, educating South Americans, stopping cannibalism
amongst Polynesians. extending life expectancy in Indians.

 

Find me a society which did not do that in its' history? Would you rather NOT live in Western society?

 

I think that's picking and choosing, I've no doubt that was true in some African societies (just as in the West we had indentured servants such as a the defeated Irish Royalists) but I doubt this was true throughout Africa. You also have to figure that they were perfectly happy to sell to the western traders when the opportunity arose?

 

Achievement made possible by the thinking a development opportunities made possible by the brutal slave trade.
If your own accident of birth places you in the UK too then I am afraid you are obliged to accept that some, or at least one of your fellow citizens feels shame regarding aspects of this place. Not pride in the slightest.
Incidentally your post smacks of 'if you don't like it then **** off'.
Too bad. I have as much right to be here as you do. And you define this as 'civilisation.
You don't have exclusive right to define this country as civilised. Your opinion is simply that and not shared by everybody here.

 

Feeding Africans - nothing to do with slavery (current African Americans have weight issues)
Vaccines for babies - nothing to do with slavery, but good will for all the developing nations
Freeing slaves from the Arabs - a bit to do with slavery because England in particular understood what slavery was.
Educating South Americans - - nothing to do with slavery
Stopping cannibalism - - nothing to do with slavery, that devil Columbus I think was the first to see and stop it.
Extending life expectancy to Indians - - nothing to do with slavery (and England stopped the widow burning too)

Which country do you want to go live in? I know there's no African Americans who want to return to Africa.

 

You put your position above British Historians to give me your history taken from White Supremacy.

The article I gave you was pretty straight forward and pretty accurate. However I got some further information last night but forgot to take the link.

The first piece of information I was given was that racists like to say that Black people sold slaves and with this they believe that they can forget the responsibility of their forebears for the centuries of inhumanity they were involved in while making them and their countries rich.

So now I know that this going on about africans selling slaves is part of the usual talk of white supremacists trying to get people to think blacks were as bad as them.

I do not think any people were anywhere near as bad as the People involved in the Atlantic Slave Trade and those supporting slavery in the US. Having watched a detailed democracy last night I can tell you the only place where I have heard of such inhumanity is in the Holocaust though that only went on for four years, this for around four hundred and to this day African Americans are still suffering from this.

Africans did have slaves but they were not slaves in the way of the Atlantic Trade. They were not a business of removing the humanity of someone and treating them with the most gross inhumanity and indecency while forcing them to build America. Did you know that slaves even built New York.

The further information I got told me that the first thing which it is needed to look at is the attempt to suggest it was Black People who did it. That is what apparently is said in the US. Africa at the time was divided into many different regions which had different protocols on slaves but one thing is for sure, they did not make slaves of their own people - except I think for the reason I gave you, serious criminality. If fact I gave criminality but I was told last night just serious or repetitive criminality.

Now the most slaves came from wars hence they were not the people of the region. Other ways in which people could become slaves were by criminality and by becoming an orphan. People were however expected to keep their slaves well, pretty much as part of the family. Many slaves managed to make a very good life for themselves and it frequently was just for a while. I think there are tales of slaves becoming Leaders of areas. If I find that video I will put it though as I forgot to take the name and first search results did not produce it and their are a lot of videos on slavery I may not.

Someone was asking what singled out the Atlantic Slave Trade from other slavery. First would be that it dehumanised the slaves. Even on the journey around a quarter or more died. Then it was done by people of the most inhuman temperament - a vicious sadistic temperament, whipping, raping them cutting of this and that. Their demand of their slaves that they work all the hours god sends to make their 'Master' rich. They tried and still try to portray the slaves as inhuman. Christianity did not agree with slavery but the Americans like the South Africans changed their bibles to say that God wanted slaves to work for white people and that is what they must do. The South African one was a bit different - God created the white man to rule over the black man is I think what a South African told me it said.

The Western World became rich not because of any expertise it had though arguably due to Capitalism. Capitalism worked by indulging in inhumane activity like getting slaves to create the wealth of both the US and the UK and much of Western Europe - with the UK and Europe that also included Colonialism....with the US I think also with time.

Who knows if we have a future but any future we have will see this time when the Western world became able to be the world bully, killing people at will came from their inhumanity which allowed them to use other people forcing them to do the work which made the white man feel great and built the major city of this empire as well as well as stealing the resources of countries. I doubt if in the history of the world there has been more inhumanity.

I do not feel shame for this. I did not do it. I do not support it. I feel anger. That we still have people who are promoting or pretending it was not as bad as it was is a sign of the most shameful people this world has ever known and sadly that it is not just a thing of the past..

 

The poster is Australian. It was the Aborigines they harmed. The people who it is now believed were the first people to find the Americas and people who have been described as the most sophisticated spiritually.

 

no, WJE's and WCE's invented a race based chattel system

 

Now they get to go back to their hopeless, miserable lives, slaves to their base impulses.

 

Slavery existed in most societies in history. Millions of Europeans were dragged off to the
Middle East as slaves by Arab traders. They joined the millions of Africans already there as
slaves. Slave labor helped build Islam.
African slavery was no different than any other form of slavery.
Condemning America for slavery, when over half a million people died to free slaves, shows
the Left is struggling to find something to condemn America for.

Go condemn China and North Korea for their concentration camps - not any that existed in
the past, but the ones that are operational right now. Show you really care for people.

 

Not sure of this WJE and WCE's are.
Nearly ALL slavery systems are "race based." The Jews came out of Egypt
where they were slaves - it was race based because the bible tells us the
Egyptians would not so much as eat with Hebrews. And Jews would have
been bought and sold like any other slave in the world. After AD70 and the
fall of Israel the world's slave markets were flooded with slaves - and the
price of a slave fell the point where nearly every free citizen could afford one.

ps why do you condemn America for a slave system it fought to stop? Can't
you find something a bit more current to argue about? Like say China's
concentration camps - all race based?

 

When all the houses are on fire it's still worth saving what you can.
Britain has been enriched by slavery and now it's time for payback.

 

its not race based slavery when they are both black though, as were the jews and egyptians. White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented race based chattel slavery. happily keep bumping this thread until you disprove this.

 

Perhaps the problem here is that you have a different definition of "race based chattel slavery"
than I do. You need to define "chattel" and "race based" because I see ALL slaves as "chattel"
and NEARLY ALL slaves burdened with race issues.

 

Black people were just as bad as white people, we're all equal. I think people's problem with all this is that the trans-Atlantic slave trade is being held up as something unique in world history when it wasn't. Let me ask, if the descendants of the white traders are to be expected to compensate the descendants of the black slaves should the descendants of those who sold them in the first place be expected to give that money back?

 

Surely Britain has paid that back many times with the political and technological advancements we brought Africa not to mention our Caribbean colonies and all the black people who now live here?

 

chattel slavery is defined as when a baby is born into slavery, thats the easiest way of explainng. race based is when it is legally defined that a certain skin colour is to be enslaved for life.

 

there was no money exchanged in the original deal. just guns.

the TAST was unique in that it was the largest forced migration in the world ever and was the first system of slavery whereby a person is legally defined as a slave just because the colour of their skin.

 

Guns probably more useful to them? You're right about the TAST being unique in its' scale but that was issue of technology, the West had the ability to move such vast numbers of people and was agriculturally advanced enough to employ them. But remember, people were not slaves purely due to the colour of their skin, there were plenty of freemen and some of them owned slaves themselves.

 

the "technical advancements" were at the expense of millions of so called africans.

its like saying, lets kill all the white ppl in the world then we wont have a global warming issue. that is exactly what you are stating but the other way round. imagine if imade a thread saying ;

"lets kill all the white ppl to save our planet"

that is exactly what you are saying so now imagine how ppl look at you and what kind of person they think you are..

 

it was written in the slave codes of 1640 that "negros" from africa were to be slaves for life.

 

to add, these were laws passed by southern states and were not sanctioned by english laws of the time whom made it permissible for black christians to be freemen.

 

You should read some books on the Jewish experience. They were one of the most common slaves in
the Roman Empire in the first and second centuries. And their kids were "born into slavery" just as they
had been in Egypt. Europeans didn't invent this - Chattel slavery was the dominant form of slavery
throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave...so,via the mother ( partus sequitur ventrem ).

But the real issue for me is - why blame America in 2020 for something that half a million Americans
DIED TO STOP over 150 years ago. Slavery plays no part in America. If you judge America by its
slavery then it's clear you are struggling to find some reason to hate America.

 

The key words there being 'from Africa'?