The aftermath of Trump's acquittal in his second impeachment trial

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  1. stone6

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    No...I pointed out the lies in his speech, which amounted to incitement. I think there is a good chance he goes to jail.
     
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    No tyou did not because he made no specific calls for violence which is needed.

    You had to spin and place your own subjective interpretations on it.
     
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    He incited the violence and he'll be indicted for it. Do you admit his lies?
     
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    Lies sure you have no evidence of incitement and no he won't they already tried.

    Your claim he incited it is the lie.
     
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    Graham has spelled it out in no uncertain terms. No offense committed by Trump is too egregious to ignore because he remains popular with the base.

    If Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is any indication, the Republican Party is far from purging itself of former President Donald Trump, and may even be emboldened in its praise of the ex-president after he was acquitted on Saturday of inciting an insurrection of the U.S. Capitol.

    “We don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of taking back the majority without Donald Trump,” Graham said during a Fox interview on Tuesday night. “If you don’t get that, you’re just not looking. He was a hell of a president on all of the things that conservatives really believe in, it was a consequential presidency.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-bearhugs-trump-hes-a-handful-but-we-need-him

    IOW, there is no limit to the extent Repubs will prostitute themselves in their pursuit of power.
     
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    Are you denying he lied?
     
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    \Asked and answered
     
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    Trump's followers and Senate Republicans are mistaken.

    There is nothing in our Constitution that forbids the impeachment trial after the President has left office, bearing in mind that Trump was impeached for inciting an insurrection while President.

    To be frank, the possibility certainly exists the Framers never thought of it. They never thought that Americans would elect a President as bad as Trump.

    Trump was elected by virtue of several strange factors that will probably never happen again. The Democrats nominated the worst possible candidate, a candidate with a ton of baggage and facing possible indictment by the DOJ for her carelessness of state secrets. Voter apathy, 90 million voters stayed home on Election Day, and another ten million wasted their vote on third party candidates "in protest." Putin and Wikileaks combined to help Trump get elected.

    Nevertheless, Trump was a minority President. He was elected by 27% of the electorate. His unpopularity throughout his Presidency reflects that fact.

    However, once elected, Trump became the darling of extremists, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, current and former members of the KKK, the intellectually challenged, anarchists, and -- believe it or not! -- the religious right. The current group of malcontents like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are a reflection of that kind of support.

    His fan club became a cult. They created fantasies about him and are completely clueless as to what Trump actually does and says. They get their information from far right commentators on Fox and other far right sources while ignoring the real news media because it reveals the reality of Trump. They make every attempt to avoid that reality. Trump's cult prefers their fantasies.

    Unfortunately, the extremists in Trump's cult have not gone away, and they amassed 74 million votes in the last election, a force to be reckoned with. McConnell, Thune, Cheney, Cassidy, Burr, Romney, Toomey, and others are trying to steer their party away from the extremists, but it is an uphill battle. While losing the House, Senate, and the Presidency under Trump's stewardship, his followers remain loyal to him, not the Republican Party, indicating again the cult-like nature of Trump's fan club as opposed to a political alliance.

    At some point Republicans have to grow a brain.

    No doubt about it, the Framers never envisioned a man like Trump becoming President.
     
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    Interesting comment considering voters in both parties voted for a sex offender.
     
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    “We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

    “When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules."

    “We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

    "Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We are going to try — give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re try — going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”
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    Good post...but, ironically, they did worry about someone like Trump, who would emerge out of the "lower classes" as a demagogue. That was Madison's reason for accepting the "electoral college," to ensure non-politicians (or as he put it "honorable men") would elect one of their kind...an honorable man.
    But, that 's another story.
     
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    Yes, another story. What you say is true, but I didn't want to complicate matters. Whenever possible, I like to keep things simple.

    I made my point.
     
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    What a refreshing change.

    Biden is boring.

    Americans yearned for boredom and a real President.

    Biden is in the business of governing, not creating hostilities and controversies like his predecessor. He is busy putting together a Covid relief package to help millions of Americans in this time of pandemic and massive unemployment. At the same time he is fighting the scourge of this pandemic by putting vaccines into arms as quickly as possible. He desperately wants to reopen schools as he working hard on that as well.

    Trump became a recluse after the election then led extremists groups loyal to him in an assault on our capital. From his den in Mar-a-Lago he made a personal attack on the single most powerful man in his party, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
     
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    Two days after the U.S. Senate voted to acquit former President Donald Trump in his second impeachment trial, three-quarters of Republicans say, 75 - 21 percent, that they would like to see Trump play a prominent role in the Republican Party, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of 1,056 adults released today. 75% Of Republicans Want Trump To Play Big Role In GOP, Quinnipiac Poll Finds

    As long as this is true, as indicated above, the Republican Party will continue to lose. For the first time in 90 years a political party lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency during a span of four years.

    And most Republicans want Trump to play a role in elections!
     
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    According to reports, McConnell laughed at Trump's personal attack on him and said he will not respond. He made it clear that he does not want to get into a back and forth with Trump. Instead he wants to focus squarely on Republicans who can win key Senate races in primaries.

    Funny, that is virtually the same thing Joe Biden said about Trump.

    “I’m tired of talking about Donald Trump. I don’t want to talk about him anymore,” Biden said Tuesday night during a CNN town hall in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
     
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    None of it specifcallhy calling for violence.
     
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    Pelosi made history, only speaker to ever fail twice in two Sham peachmints
     
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    So much for "Moscow Mitch".....
     
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    McConnell voted to acquit because he understood the un-consitutional nature of the whole circus.
     
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    At this moment in time it's important to remind Americans it's possible for government to be a force for good. A difficult task as Repubs continually try to make their criticism of government a self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    The Senate dispensed with that nonsense before the trial was held.
     
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    McConnell didn't.
     
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    He did because the senate is not the final arbiter of constitutionality. The supreme court is. It is certainly correct for him to ignore it.
     
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    which is fine as an excuse, but he also made it clear he did not vote to acquit because he thought he was not guilty as many on the right wanted to claim, he speech afterwards made that very very clear

    most Senators thought Trump was guilty
     
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