The Alt-Left is a Myth Created by Neo-Nazis

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  1. Shiva_TD

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    The term "Alt-Left" is being thrown around by President Trump, Trump supporters, and even those on the political right that aren't Trump supporters in an effort to provide legitimacy to the Alt-Right that's a movement of anti-establishment conservatives that include, but that isn't limited to, the racist hate groups advocating White Supremacy, White Nationalism, and Neo-Nazism. The Alt-Right was the "invention" of Richard Spencer, a well known Neo-Nazi that celebrated Trump's election with followers chanting Sieg Trump while giving the Nazi salute. The Alt-Right was supported by the former editor of Breitbart News, Steve "Roll out the Hate" Bannon, that's currently the Chief White House Political Strategist for President Trump.

    The term "Alt-Left" was created by the Neo-Nazi's as a reference to a group that shows up at "racist" demonstrations and readily engages in violence against the racists. Typically they wear a "uniform" of black with black masks while using baseball bats to viciously attack the racists. These are members of a group that the Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and Alt-Right refer to as the "Antifa" that's short for "Anti-Fascists" that was a movement originating in Europe but has since migrated to the United States. The problem is that the Antifa has virtually nothing in common with the "political left" in the United States as defined by Republicans.

    According to the Republican definition thePolitical Left" is characterized by it's advocacy for a "Large Nanny State Government

    This is compared to the Republican definition of the "Political Right" that is characterized by it's advocacy for a "Small Minimalistic Government" predominately focused on national defense.

    So we have a scale of left to right going from large government to small government.

    The "Antifa" is an anarchist movement that's openly opposed to all government. The Antifa is further to the right than even the Political Rights in the United States because it opposes government.

    First identified by name in the 1920's and 1930's as a “progressive movement” opposed to the rise of fascism in Europe it dwindled in support after the end of WW II only to re-emerge in the 1980's with the rise of racism in Europe but the roots of the Anti-Fascists go much deeper back to the ideologies for the social, economic, and political institutions that were developed during the Age of Enlightenment. The ideology can perhaps best be summarized by the First Principles upon which the United States was founded that embodied the Age of Enlightenment. In 1776 the “Antifa” as it's called today would have agreed with all of America's First Principles.

    The “Antifa” has always opposed White Supremacy because White Supremacy violates the equality and unalienable (natural) rights of those that are not members of the White Demographic. Antifa, by any name, has always opposed “an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization” (fascism) and in 1776 the “Antifa” was unquestionably a “progressive liberal” movement but it's ideological leaders were those men like Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison. But it's been over two hundred years since then and retaining a belief in an social, economic, and political that were defined over 200 year ago is not progressive, it's conservative.

    “Antifa” has always been the hisotrical enemy of White Supremacy because White Supremacy is advocacy for totalitarianism by the White Supremacist. Historically the “Antifa” wasn't comprised of anarchists but history has changed that. In the last 200 plus years those that associated themselves with the highly progressive ideology from the Age of Enlightenment have witnessed that our government has failed to stop the tyranny of White Supremacy in the United States. It has failed to meet the criteria of the First Principle of “limited government” where the government is “strong enough to fulfill its purpose” of protecting the unalienable rights of minorities subjected to White (WASP Male) Supremacy in the United States. The laws haven't stopped the White Supremacists that are just as dedicated to overthrowing Constitutional authority of the government of the United States as they were in 1861 when they rose up as traitors in an armed insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States in what we commonly refer to as the Civil War.

    The “Rule of Law” has failed to protect the People. The “Limited government” has not been strong enough to protect the People. By not preventing the violations of the unalienable rights of the People by the White (WASP Male) Supremacists the government is complicit in those violations.

    The “Antifa” today is basically invoking the “Last First Principle” by rejecting government and taking matters into their own hands to stop the violations of the Rights of the People by the Neo-Nazi's, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, and Alt-Right that violate the Rights of the People based upon an “an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization” based upon White (WASP Male) Supremacy.

    This is competely different than the left-wing political ideology of “progressive liberalism” that's based upon the peaceful step-by-step transformation of our government and society into one based upon the original ideology expressed by the founders of America were all people are equal and where the government is strong enough to protect the unalienable (natural) rights of the People.

    Democrats are “progressives” today while the Antifa is “revolutionary” today. Government has failed and it's failed for over 200 years in the United States to stop the tyranny and oppression of White (WASP Male) Supremacy and Antifa, right or wrong, has revolted against that failure and declared itself as the protectors of the People from the Tyranny of White Supremacy. The Antifa is fully willing to emply Deadly Force if necessary to destroy White Supremacy in the United States in order to protect our society from it's evils.

    They do make strange bedfellows with the Democrats of course. The Democrats go to peacefully counter-protest demonstrations by the racists White Supremacists while the Antifa shows up with every intent to violently destroy the White Supremacists because the White Supremacists are the historical enemy of the “Antifa” regardless of the name used to identify them. These “anti-fascists” that are ideologically opposed to tyranny in any form and have been for well over 200 years show up at the same racist demonstration that the Democrats go to and while the Democrats peacefully protest the “Antifa” brings their baseball bats to attach their traditional enemy. They gave government a chance but government has failed to stop the threat and the tyranny so Antifa has taken matter into their own hands.

    Of note the Antifa can normally be identified because they've assumed a uniform of black clothing and black masks. They were very easily identified during the Trump rallies in Portland OR and again in Charlottesville VA this last weekend.

    But they're not “leftists” by today's political definition and instead are historically very “right-wing” conservatives that cling to the original ideology for America as expressed by the original founders of from when the United States was founded. No one can be more “conservative” than that.

    The “political right” often claims that the Second Amendment is about the individual's right to defend themselves from tyranny and that's exactly what the “Antifa” is doing in violently confronting the racist White Supremacy, White Nationalist, Neo-Nazi, Alt-Right hate groups in America.

    Today it's weird because there's common ground between the racists and Neo-Nazi's of the Political Right and the Political Left when it comes to Antifa although it's for two completely different reasons.

    The Political Left condemns Antifa because the Political Left is opposed to violence.

    The racists Political the Political Right condemn Antifa because they can no longer violently attack the peaceful protesters of the Political Left with impunity like they did during the 1960's because Antifa is going to meet their violence with violence.

    As mentioned in the Title the "Alt-Left" was an invention by the (fascist) Neo-Nazi's that attempt to legitimize their bigoted, racist, treasonous, and violent agenda. I've read that the Neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer posted yesterday that they events in Charlottesville VA was a call for a race war and that the Neo-Nazi's were ready because they're already trained for this violent revolution. This is arguably true because the Neo-Nazi's, KKK, and other hate groups have literally been training for this race war and the overthrowing of the US government since they failed in their first attempt to impose a tyrannical White (WASP Male) government during the American Civil War.

    The invention of the "Alt-Left" is an attempt by the Neo-Nazi's to "legitimize" their violent and treasonous agenda by accusing their historical enemies, those that oppose tyranny and oppression, of being "Democrats" or "Political Left" but the Antifa is neither.

    All of those that use the term "Alt-Left" are either Neo-Nazi racists or just ignorantly spreading the lies of the Neo-Nazi's to legitimize hatred, violence and treason. It's identical to spouting the propaganda by ISIS because the Neo-Nazi racists are literally no better than ISIS and are a greater terrorist threat to the United States than ISIS ever will be.
     
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    political sides change each generation, before the civil rights movement democrats were the party of slave owners.

    today the republicans represent the slave owning states of the past.

    the bad economy has created oppressed and violent people on both sides, and there is indeed an alt left movement that is not as organized or formal as the alt right nazis.
     
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    So then the whole left is the same as antifa and BLM, nice to know....
     
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    Are you scared of white nationalists?
     
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    This just looks like some goofy revisionism to me.
     
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    Its bullcrap #FakeNews
     
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    False equivalence is a favorite tactic of the right.
     
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    All of those that use the term "Alt-Left" are either Neo-Nazi racists or just ignorantly spreading the lies of the Neo-Nazi's to legitimize hatred, violence and treason.

    Does this include Joy-Ann Reid and other Democrats who use the term all the time?
     
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    The term alt right looks to be a mish mash of various degrees of ideological belief. The white supremists call themselves alt right while other so called alt right are populists, believing we should once again put the best interests of American citizens over those self interests of our ruling elite, the banking cabal, big oil, big pharma and MNCs who offshored middle class jobs for maximization of profit. The neoliberal DC dems along with the GOPhers as evidenced by the Princeton Study have hardly represented the interests of most of our population. With the fruits of congress signed by different presidents ending up being in the service and interests of this small group of elites, who coincidently seem to finance the campaigns of presidents and our elected represenatives. With a rating of 90 percent disapprove of the job they are doing as our represenatives in this dead Republic, they make trumps numbers look very good in comparison.

    So, if the non racist alt right, believes in following in the steps of the Founders, and most presidents and congresses for most of our history when it comes to representing the best interests of our majority, which puts it at great odds with economic slave labor globalism, then these non racist alt right are dishonestly included in with the neo Nazis and white supremeist groups, while the alt right is a mish mash, with a tiny group being racists.

    So Bannon is being accused of being an alt right racist, the worse kind of an alt right, as MSM refuses to inform that most in the alt right are not racists, but look more like FDR democrats, progressives back before progressivism and liberalism died and this corrupt, rotten, absurdity arose from the ashes of FDR and began acting like court house pigeons, deficating in volume upon all things created by human intelligence and wisdom. These people are creating lies about Bannon, trying to include him in with the likes of the KKK and Neo Nazis. These two groups in size are insignificant with more homosexuals existing than these hate driven loons who believe themselves to be superior to all races, while most don't have a pot to piss in, are failures in producing sufficient income, with plenty of meth heads being involved which might explain why they believe they, as failures, are superior. LOL

    So the faux liberal dems and corporate democrat MSM push a narrative, very nefariously clever I might add, that Bannon is a white nationalist which of course means he is a racist, perhaps even being a closet neo Nazi, KKK member, and dreams of putting these black americans back on to the plantation where they never should have left.

    Of course when it comes to DC corporate/banking dems, and corporate/banking repubs, Bannon is an enemy and a potential threat to the way of life for these DC lawmakers, who as the Princeton Study evidenced, conclusively, only represented special interests, who coincidently finances the campaigns of these same lawmakers. Since I cannot see the USSC reversing that campaign financing case, opening up our system for little more than pure bribery, Bannon's enemies in both parties want the man gone. And they will lie and deceive, as they always do, when doing the bidding of those who rule this nation. So Bannon must go, and his enemies will wallow amidst the whale feces, which if you will remember settles to the bottom of the deepest ocean. Hard to get lower than that boys and girls.
     
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    The alt left is as real as the alt right. Just look at ANTIFA
     
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    The Political Left and the BLM are both opposed to violence but they cannot prevent violence with their condemnation of violence. The following clarifies this position.

    The Antifa had identified Trump supporters as racists based upon Trump's rhetoric of racism and religious intolerance during his presidential campaign.

    After the election in November of last year there were pro-Trump rallies in Portland OR. The Political Left showed up to peacefully counter-demonstrate against Trump but another group identified by law enforcement as anarchists (the Antifa) also showed up and began rioting. The anarchists were clearly not the Political Left that had shown up the peacefully protest Trump and law enforcement established the difference between the two groups.
    Ironically it was the Political Left that attempted to protect the Trump supporters by pleading with the "anarchists" (Antifa) to stop the violence. The Antifa is normally quite easy to identify when they show up at "racists" rallies such as in Portland and in Charlottesville as we can see from this photograph taken in Portland

    Antifa in Portland.jpg

    The Political Left is highly opposed to Antifa because of the violence that Antifa uses in it's attacks on Fascism. There is one notable difference between Antifa and White Supremacy/Neo-Nazism. The White Supremacists/Neo-Nazi's are proactive with their violence in committing terrorist attacks and murders across the United States. The Antifa is reactive because it only attacks the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis at events that the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazi's stage. Antifa isn't randomly targeting Americans with acts of terrorism.

    The claim by the Political Right that Black Lives Matters advocates violence has always been false.

    Originally formed by Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tomeli in response to the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the murder of Travon Martin they started a social movement predominately to end the violent oppression and murder of blacks by law enforcement. The term Black Lives Matter was used in one of their early tweets and was later adopted for the name of the movement that has expanded world wide.

    Today the official website for Black Lives Matter is a Facebook page that anyone can review to see what the movement stands for.
    https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter

    The Platform for Black Lives Matter is also online for review.
    https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/

    No where in their positions does Black Lives Matter ever advocate violence because Black Lives Matter is expressly opposed to violence.


    That does not prevent violence from occurring at BLM demonstrations. Because of the oppression of blacks in the United States that includes excessive use of force and the the killing of unarmed black men for no justifiable reason by law enforcement, the leaders of the BLM protests cannot prevent some that have suffered personally from the oppression from becoming violent. The leaders of BLM can and do oppose the violence that occasionally occurs, they can and have condemned it, because it's harmful to the goals of BLM but they can't prevent it. Oppressed people will often react violently in response to the oppression they've endured and while it can and should be condemned the only way to stop the violence is to end the oppression.

    Of course both of the above issues are an attempt to distract from the facts that Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists actively promote violence and commit acts of terrorism in the United States. White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis commit far more acts of terrorism and violence in the United States than are committed by individuals associated with radical Islam. The Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists are actively engaged in paramilitary training with the sole purpose is to initiate and engage in a race war that would ultimately result in overthrowing the Constitutional government of the United States and replace it with a fascist government of White (WASP Male) Supremacy. They failed to achieve that government in their treasonous armed insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United State between 1861-1865 but they've never abandoned that goal.

    Neo-Nazi's, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, and the "Alt-Right" (that's a re-bundling of these racist hate group ideologies for marketing purposes) are the Domestic Enemies of the Constitution of the United States. They're the one's that every member of the US Military swears an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against. They're the "American ISIS" that must be condemned and eradicated from our nation.

    Richard Spencer is an enemy of the United States. David Duke is an enemy of the United States. Steve Bannon is an enemy of the United States. Every member, officially or by association, of the Neo-Nazi, White Supremacy, White Nationalist, and Alt-Right movement is an enemy of the United States. These individuals should not be walking freely on the streets of America but should be immediately arrested and prosecuted for treason.

    Donald Trump in the last few days, by attempting to give legitimacy to anyone of those associated with these groups, should be immediately removed from office and prosecuted for providing aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States.

    No amount of attempted distraction is going to change the fact that these hate groups are the true enemy of EVERY AMERICAN PATRIOT and person that believes in our national identity. If we can fight ISIS in Syria with armed force where members of ISIS can be shot on sight it's arguable that we should also be able to shoot on sight anyone associated with the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacy movement in the Unites States. The enemy wears different colors and makes different arguments but the ultimate the goal of totalitarianism is identical for both.
     
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    Does that also include everyone on the Political Right that opposes Neo-Nazism and White Supremacy and/or the excessive use of force including deadly force by Law Enforcement against blacks in America?

    The Political Left does not now nor has it ever advocated violence.
    The BLM does not now nor has it ever advocated violence.

    Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists have always advocated violence.
     
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    Not true in my experience. I've met lots of 'political left' peeps who express a desire for violence. It's far more muted than the open warfare of nazism but it's still there, hiding behind the closed doors of peer groups and their private discussions, this desire for their 'enemies' to be harmed in some way.

    Ideologies are corrosive to humans.
     
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    Na, antifa and the blm communists were burning down towns and college campuses long before Charlottesville.

    They showed up armed and ready for their moronic game of retarded gladiators.

    They could have done what the rest of the country did, ignore jerkoffs, but nope they had to start a riot.
     
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    Actually Sean Hannity coined the term and he's far from a neonazi.

    Stop spreading fake news. The American people are tired of it.
     
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    Exactly. The right wing propaganda machine always accuses the left of the very thing they support. Its a form of offense against criticisms. They will latch on to any single event to justify their response, witness the fake controversy over ACORN or the New Black Panthers. No one is fooled that does not want to be fooled. The white party is struggling, they know they are losing the greater battle so they take solace in little rhetorical skirmishes online, on Fox, on the radio and now with their racist POTUS.
     
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    Perhaps, but the Alt-left is a greater threat than either.
     
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    Lenin, Stalin and Mao would disagree with you here.

    As would Karl Marx himself:

    "There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/11/06.htm

    I know you are trying to convince yourself that the Left is wonderful and blameless so you don't feel bad supporting the Left. The easier course is to recognize that the Left has always supported and even championed violence to attain their political ends. And they use violence and terror to maintain their power. Surely you have studied the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Chinese Revolution.

    If you are uncomfortable with that fact you should abandon the Left. Trying to pretend that the Left is a peaceful movement just makes you look ridiculous.
     
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    You sir are either sadly misinformed or uninformed. BLM is on record in several locales advocating for the murder of cops. Sounds like violence to me. Lenin was left and was pro violence, so was Marx who repeatedly said that their was no extreme that should go unused in pursuit of the revolution.
     
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    You mean like left wing violence is righteous?
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    . As for Lenin, you really don't know your early 20th century Russian history do you? And Marx Sorry I'm not going back through the Communist Manifesto again just for you.
     
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    Both of the terms alt left and alt right were made up by people and used by others for various political reasons.

    Yes Spencer is credited by many with coining the term alt right but he seems to have actually borrowed it from others. Whether Trump is the one who made up the term alt left is irrelevant as he is correct about them.

    The part you most wrong about is antifa being anarchists they are overwhelmingly communists which is a leftist ideology and that does in fact make them leftists and Trump is correct
     
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    Ridiculous! The alt-left is the Democrats baby . They been nurturing it and indoctrinating it for decades. Oh how proud the Dems must be .
     
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    I know Lenin...my lord, I am reading Secondhand Time as we speak. As for your clip, I will check the veracity of it. BLM is disorganized and there very well could be individuals who are extreme, that doesn't make BLM extreme.

    That took about five seconds.

    http://www.snopes.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-for-dead-cops-now-in-baton-rouge/
     
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