The "Attempted Bribery Isn't A Crime" Defense

If we were going to talk about this from a theoretical legal perspective, I would have much commentary to contribute, but I suspect this thread is entirely situational, so I will decline to contribute. (i.e. most of the people discussing here do not actually care about issues of what the law in general is or should be)

 

Well that and the fact that he didn't need to succeed. The tanking of the Biden campaign Without any investigation ever being started being more than sufficient evidence of that statement.

 

If it was for personal gain, yes.

 

Find standing. I’m pretty sure based on this post that you are out of your depth.

 

Translation: I have nothing smart to say, but you’re all the idiots.

 

We all gain personally when corruption is removed from the table. The Bidens were and remain guilty of violating the emoluments clause.

 

If the emails exist then post them without and edits, deletions, or changes or MUS.

 

There was no investigation of Young Biden therefore no investigation to end. It is just like this, simple....if the lights are not on in a room you cannot shut them off. If your car is not running you cannot turn it off.

 

Does this mean you understood why people supported Trump before this "whistleblower" flap doodle?

I really just don't see how this Ukraine business is interesting at all. I assume that all politicians are interested in digging up dirt on their opponents and are not especially particular about how they go about it. They are all a bunch of corrupt crooks but so long as they pursue policies which I like I don't care so much about corruption.

No democrat seems to care about Biden's corruption, just about the fact that Trump wanted to expose it.

 

Oh okay, I get it. Let's keep lowering the bar until anything and everything goes. And yeah, using an unsecured cell phone with the president on the line in a public place is the act of a moron. How many countries do you think heard that call? Care to guess?

 

That doesn't absolve Trump of his crimes

I robbed the bank but the vault was empty...isn't much of a defense

 

There were no crimes pressure diplomacy isn't a crime. It's been around for millenia.

 

There was an investigation of Burisma. Biden the younger was used as a back door into the Obama admin as clearly indicated by the emails.

 

What are you talking about " back door" to the Obama administration. Being the son of Obama's VEEP is very front door up front.

 

Withholding $400 million in taxpayers money, approved by Congress was to help Ukraine militarily, not to help Trump achieve a personal payback (investigating Biden). It is a criminal act and a helluva bribe.

 

Wrong. Corruption clean up is a good thing. Bidens are obviously guilty of violating the emoluments clause.

 

And a clear violation of the emoluments clause

 

I think, from a scientific point of view, the adherence of Trump's followers will be studied for a long time. Much in the way that Germans have been studied. How is it that seemingly good upstanding people, are attracted to, and then support horrible leaders, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of wrong doing. Many Germans continued to support Hitler, even after he began rounding up and killing off Jews. Trump has a long way to get to Hitler like atrocities, so I don't expect his followers to abandon him any time soon.

 

You assume wrong. Point out a case where "pressure diplomacy" has ever been used for PERSONAL GAIN

See above

There was NO investigation of Burisma when Biden helped get Shokin removed

Please stop promoting that "falsehood". There's an "L" word that this site will not allow me to use that more accurately describes your repeated claim

 

Read the book "Clinton Cash."

 

Your comparison of Germans of the 1930's to POTUS T's fans is interesting and intellectually solid yet hopefully just an excercise in intellectual curiosity. Yet be prepared to be accused of Goodwinism. I am sure that even if POTUS T wants to turn to genocide , following Steve Miller the pro White Supremacist administration official there will be enough people in the TCP -Trump Cult Party to find their brass ones and stop him. Or at least I hope that I am correct. As a theoretical intellectual excercise do you think that this POTUS would use genocide as a tool to to pay back his fans for their support?

I am guardedly hopeful that POTUS T will never commit genocide. I still have the words of my dad ringing in my ears:
" all Germans had blood on their hands" . My dad was a survivor of forced labor camps in Germany during WWII. He did not say that with revenge or malice but with
a matter of fact in that just because only a small number of Germans were involved in the actual killings they "all" knew about it. They did not stop Hitler. Oh yes a group of military tried during the war but too late too little.

According to my father's opinion. I will leave it there.

 

Again the emails Indicate Burisma thought otherwise. Else why would they be parlaying Biden's son into a meet and greet

 

Then the should be dealt with using U.S. jurisprudence, not Ukrainian. If that is true the Attorney General should go for it.

 

It was in Ukraine the investigation has to start their and that can only be arranged by the president. Please note thanks to the Dems trying false to make an impeachment case out of this the Biden campaign has tanked meaning politically the investigation was never really a necessity or of any real benefit to the president

 

Biden's have been charges with nothing. FOX would like to hang them for being Democrats.