The Berniephobes are wrong

Ha ha lol...
You can’t make a phone call without government intervention.

 

Did you or someone you know attend public high school or primary school?
Are you or anyone close to you protected by the police? Fire department? Army? Navy? Air Force? Marines? National Guard? Space force?
Do you ever use public roads?
Have you or someone close ever flown from a city airport? In a plane controlled by FAA air traffic controllers?
Ridden on Amtrak?
Have your children or those of friends ever ridden a slide in a public park?
Anyone you know get a flu shot from the health department?
Eaten in a restaurant inspected by the public health dept keeping you safe?
Taken drugs certified by the FDA?
If you've answered yes to any of the above that makes YOU a HANDS-OUT type.

Look, Sanders wants to extend free education to college because that's what future jobs will demand. The right keeps saying machines will replace the low level worker so the obvious solution is to elevate the worker pool through higher education.
He wants to cut out the health care middleman, AKA insurance companies because the healthier the workforce the more productive. You want to talk death panels? Insurance companies had to have previous conditions shoved down their throats and most plans do not cover many treatments. At least Medicare for all isn't in it for the bottom line of it's investors.

These are not radical ideas. They've been used with great success all over the industrialized world. Why does the right fear the future?

 

Medicare is easily the most popular health insurance program we’ve ever had. Yet, for some reason, it’s not good enough for healthier Middle class people. Everyone else is backed by socialized medicine.....but not healthier people who can afford to piss money away into for profit insurance. This is one reason why the middle class is shrinking.

 

You quoted a Modern Monetary Theory economist who offers a straw man and advances an absurd claim about what "mainstream macroeconomists" believe. Clearly, he has an agenda.

As I said, economists of all stripes have known for centuries how to manipulate the money supply. MMT economists suggest we use that knowhow and fiscal policy to avoid recessions and promote full employment. What they haven't done is clarify how they intend to convince the public to embrace the particular manipulation they're advocating.

 

You point to a number of needs being addressed, but not necessarily met or met well, by government-owned, government-run production. Some private production is involved in delivering services you mention--policing, for example, where there are private guard services and even private prisons.

I think we can improve government services by allowing private competition consistent with sustaining a democracy. Private schools? Okay. Private military? Limited.

 

And "social" reminds me of USSR or the Socialist Republic of China. Answer: you don't believe in property rights-it's all property of the government to use as they see fit.

 

I'm sure Karl Marx was just jealous....He wanted EVERYONE enslaved to government regardless of race. It could be argued that although the North had a righteous cause in mind, the abolition of slavery, it also had in mind a strong central government. I'm sure Karl found that more titillating than the absence of slavery. Before the CW we were known as "These United States" After the CW we were known as "THe United States". Left and Right have always fought the battle of State Rights vrs. An all powerful Central Government.(Jefferson vrs. Hamilton) I think that is a righteous battle because there IS a proper balance. States Rights is far closer to the protection of "Individual Liberty". A central government ensures our strength as a Nation. Karl Marx and Dagosa I believe would like to dissolve the States and eventually turn our sovereignty over to the U.N.

I kind of believe you don't read a Bible much, but if you looked to what it says about the end times and the "spirit of anti-Chist" you will find it depicts a strive for a concentrated, central power. Dagosa, I believe you are a contributor to that.

 

I wouldn't say it was "capitalism". It was more of a feudal/ aristocracy mentality. Communism/Socialism breeds slavery for the sake of lining the pockets of the elite.
Sure we have rich in America and I'm sure you hate most except Bernie Sanders. I am a middle class Contractor. I know dozens of Contractors half my age that have large RV's, side by sides, and they take their families camping and traveling every month. They are hardly rich, but hardly oppressed. You just have a mission of breeding discontent and coveting. Get a life.

 

Government cannot blow their nose without "We the People with inalienable rights"

 

Marx wasn't for strong central government or enslavement to government. Quite the opposite.

He was for workers having control over their own means of production in a democratic framework.

 

If Communism/Socialism breeds slavery then why was it the early capitalist nations whose economies were fueled by slavery until the mid-1800's?

And if a handful of billionaires own more wealth than half the planet combined, which system is "lining the pockets of the elites" again?

 

You completely ignore the slavery in work Camps by Stalin, China and North Korea in the 20 and 21st century. Wasn't slavery abolished in these capitalist nations over a century ago? Or is that the most important detail you know about them?

 

Yeah but I don't consider that "systemic slavery" fueling an entire economic system. I'd consider that retribution slavery for enemies of the state by brutal regimes.

How would you contrast that with the US that locks up more prisoners than any other nation on Earth, often for non-violent drug crimes, and then forces them into labour servitude for pennies on the dollar?

Or even wage peonage that existed long after slavery was abolished?

 

No one is forced into labor in American Prison systems. Where are you from anyway? They often volunteer for work to break the monotony and are compensated a little. Many however, choose to lift weights, play basketball and watch movies. I sure hope you aren't cursed with living in these United States. I suspect you are an example of our liberal American- hating education system.

 

They head in that direction for sure. Medicare doesn't run any medical services, it just pays for them. Social security has nothing to do with the private sector at all. It is just government social spending like medicare. I don't think government should be doing that but I also don't think it is truly socialism. Social spending describes it better.

 

It is easy to answer. Slavery is intolerable. There is no excuse for it. That doesn't mean I support Marxism but nice try anyway.

 

You certainly agree with him on slavery.

 

Yes but that has zero to do with Marxism.

 

Lol
They are there. The only difference between that and Medicare for all, is the healthy working people in the middle class. Why should they have to support everyone with both taxes for socialized medicine, plus, pay their own premiums into a system that has seven times the overhead.

 

Plenty. Marxism is anti slavery.

 

I think virtually everybody is anti-slavery. Nice try again.

 

We've been through it already. I don't want to repeat myself.

 

Yet practiced so commonly today.


Ref.: Wage Slave

 

The capitalistic society of cotton in the south was dependent upon slavery. That has plenty to do with netted, uncontrolled capitalism. That’s our history.

 

You have nothing to say, because it’s true. The middle class is being decimated by healthcare costs, by lost salary from employer based HC and high profits of private insurance.