The Bible. A problem with interpretation.

Yet you are not a follower of Christ (because you say it is a fairy tale) So I guess it shows anyone in America can say they are Christian.

 

Make kindness and love as your instrument for interpretation and I think you you are on the right path.

 

Christianity is a very user-friendly religion. It is not a peer-pressure religion like Judaism or Islam. There are no requirements to wear special clothes (for most sects); people don't have to go to a special theme park; there are no animal sacrifices or public rituals that people have to participate in. Men do not have to get any body parts cut off. You don't even have to go to church. You can just say that you are a Christian and you are good to go unless you live around some of the fanatic sects.

 

And what you say is a lie, which is what most heretics resort to when cornered. Constantine couldn't have cared less what the outcome of the Nicene council was, his goal was to unite the empire, and the Church actually voted for Trinitarian theology after the arguments were presented without Constantine's intervention. You are either lying or ignorant but Ill go with ignorant - you are mouthing internet memes without any real knowledge. I can recommend some reading material if you like.

 

Well, Paul tells us to forsake not the assembling of ourselves together, so we are expected to be in Church. As far as "public rituals" go, there is communion, baptism, confirmation, and public worship. The people who simply call themselves Christian don't know what Christianity is more often than not.

 

All you have to do to be a Christian is Believe that Christ is who He said He was and is while also believing in His" provision". To say He is a fairy tale contradicts any belief.
I do like most of what you said. It is not of works, it is by His Grace we are saved. I often reference the two thieves on the cross alongside of Jesus. One couldn't do any of the things you said, but he believed and entered Paradise. The other mocked in unbelief. In that sense, it is not exactly user friendly. Christianity is what takes place on the inside and that comes by "believing". For the carnal minded, it is impossible to see. That is why you can say "Jesus is a fairy tale" while getting away with calling yourself Christian.

 

Yes, Paul exhorts us to be obedient once we have believed. Salvation is both instantaneous but it is something that also "needs to be worked out".

 

Yet denying He is the Christ is the spirit of the "Anti-Christ." Goodness does not come from saying you are good. There is only One good.

 

The fact of the matter is that Constantine insisted the term "homoousios" be included in the creed. Constantine expelled Eusebius until he agreed to sign - and he ordered the Arian text Thalia be burned.

Stomping your feet and name calling does not change this fact.

 

Constantine had nothing to do with the writing of the creed, he was not a theologian, he accepted the judgement of the Church, and lying about it won't change that fact.

 

Second time you have accused me of lying .. but given no proof of your claim of course.

Constantine had much to do with insertion of the word "homoousious" into the creed.

You claim to be have been a Priest - It is very surprising that someone who graduated from a reputable Seminary would talk like you do - and not know much about such a significant part of Church History.

As per the "Journal of Church History
The Word "Homoousios" from Hellenism to Christianity
Pier Franco Beatrice
Church History
Vol. 71, No. 2 (Jun., 2002), pp. 243-272 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4146467?seq=1

"According to Eusebius of Caesarea the word "homoousios" was inserted into the creed solely by personal order of Constantine"

Perhaps next time you should do your homework before pretending to know what you are talking about - and calling people that disagree with you liars on that basis.

 

I am calling you a liar because you are lying about me.

I talk the way I do because I'm not a heretic. When I get back to my desktop computer I'll give you a stack of books on the subject, not one stinking article.

And by the way, Eusebius once had Arian sympathizes. I say you should do YOUR homework.

 

I'm still shaking my head over this: "If you'd have gone to a reputable seminary and you really were a priest, you'd be spouting heresies, like me."

Let that sink in. If I really was a Priest I'd denounce Church teaching and embrace Arianism, according to you. I'd be a Jehovah's Witness, according to you. If I was a real Priest I would throw it all away.

When you figure out what's wrong with that claim, let me know.

 

A person only has to do those things if he is in a group doing those things and if wants to be associated with the group. Each group has its own spin on the rituals so there is no uniformity. Members of different groups don't normally associate with each other even if they claim to be Christians.

 

Words are just words but can be substantiated with deeds, just follow Lord Jesus teachings and couple it what should be good, we are being blessed to know between good and evil let it be a tool to guide us and not committing misinterpretations.

 

By Grace are you saved through faith and not of works lest no man can boast. You cannot work out your Salvation by denying the author of it.

 

Reading and interpreting the bible are already deeds for faith is just a conception of the mind, even your extension of your wisdom unto me is already a deed, following and praising God through my deeds I could say is not a sign of denial.

 

I don't know what Christian group doesn't do those things.

 

I did not lie about you. State what that lie was and back up your claim.

You said I was a Liar because I claimed that Constantine added the term "homoousios" to the Nicene Creed.

As it turns out - As per the "Journal of Church History" submission linked to previously

"According to Eusebius of Caesarea the word "homoousios" was inserted into the creed solely by personal order of Constantine"

So after being proven to not know what you are talking about with respect to homoousios and the Arian controversy.

You infer that I did not know that Eusebius had Arian sympathies. I stated previously to you that Eusebius was exiled for not signing on to "homoousios". (which was because of his sympathies for Arianism).

If you you understood the above - it should have been obvious that I did know (having already stated as much) that Eusebius had Arian sympathies.

Two falsehoods in one post .. .

 

You have gone off the deep end.

"If you'd have gone to a reputable seminary and you really were a priest, you'd be spouting heresies, like me."

I didn't say that ?

My claim is that when I educated you on Church History - you called me a liar.

When I proved my claim true - and yours false - you went off the farm - and are now making up gibberish in an attempt to demonize the messenger.

 

Stay with me instead of making things up. You haven't done much of anything but brag about yourself and lie.

You didn't "educate" anybody, you made a claim that is debatable at best. This is all aside from the fact that you also claim Trinitarian theology is heresy, which is what started this mishegoss. To that I say "How much can you really know if you don't know better than that?" To not believe it yourself is one thing but it's quite another to declare it false. Then, in order to bolster your ailing credibility you then claim that Constantine inserted Homoousios into the Nicene Creed, and that supposedly nullifies the Creed. Guess what? It doesn't even if it was true.

Now that I have schooled YOU in theology (and critical thinking) what do you have to say now?

 

The reason I didn't know about some of these things is that reputable seminaries don't teach tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. To wit:

You claim: Constantine's conversion to Christianity was a "political move".

The fact: The facts of Constantine's life refute this silly unscholarly notion. His anti Pagan stance is as good as any "good" OT King of Judah.

You claim: Constantine inserted "homoousios" into the Nicene creed

The fact is: Constantine was advised by Ossius, a Bishop and Constantines spiritual advisor to insert that language. Constantine himself had no role in shaping Trinitarian doctrine.

Now I call you a liar again. Quit trying to fool these people with your phony made up history. And quit lying about me.

 

You are projecting again - it was you that was schooled .. you and not the reverse.

Your claimed that Constantine had nothing to do with the insertion of the word "homoousios" - calling me a liar for suggesting it.

As it turns out - As per the "Journal of Church History" submission linked to previously

"According to Eusebius of Caesarea the word "homoousios" was inserted into the creed solely by personal order of Constantine"

You were wrong - cant deal with being schooled - and so you name call.

 

Yet another pathetic post .. full of name calling and projection - because you were wrong and can't deal with it.

I proved the above claim citing the - "Journal of Church History" submission linked to previously

"According to Eusebius of Caesarea the word "homoousios" was inserted into the creed solely by personal order of Constantine"

That Ossius was Constantine's Spiritual Adviser does not help with the fact that you were wrong - perhaps it was Ossius who suggested inclusion of the term "homoousios" .. Be it Constantine - or his spirit guide - which was Sol the Sun God - or his Christian spiritual adviser Ossius. You were wrong.

 

You are distorting the facts to suit your false narrative, trying to make it look like the pagan emperor created Trinitarian theology. Read a book.