The Bible

The law was given to reveal the penalty of sin....which is death. Jesus came not to do away with but to fulfill that law. The law only revealed an awareness of sin and a need for salvation due to our own ability to fulfill it. A prime example: The law said that male children were to be circumcised on the 7th day. Jesus expressed, rather, that we are to have circumcised hearts. Man was not made for the Sabbath but rather.....the Sabbath was made for man.
God gave us law.....but human nature amended the law so many times it became a burden far too heavy to bear. Jesus summed up the law into two. You must Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind. You must love your neighbor as yourself. The intent of the "law" was to keep men AND women from committing adultery. Those two laws Jesus gave to sum it up, meet that requirement. If we had circumcised hearts.....we would understand that. If we had circumcised hearts, we would not accuse in order to condemn, but rather we would confront in love in order to edify. Human nature resists this way of living. Just ask any lawyer. We love laws. They fail us. Jesus revealed what was God's attempt all along. Jesus took the burden of "law" upon Himself so it CAN be fulfilled by accepting His provision.

What I have written here is the "Good News" of Jesus Christ. As a human in the flesh, I can't help but fail. I often accuse because that is my nature. I need to "walk in the Spirit always. This "Good News" does not accuse. It shows the efforts of God to engage in relationship with His people apart from "sin". There is no other way. I will offer one piece of scripture that sums it up rather nicely.

Galatians 2:19-21 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by FAITH in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing.

 

Yasureoktoo.... I will address that by asking you to examine one thing. Perhaps people have different views on murder, or adultery. Do you think that we as a society should fail to condemn those actions.....because after all, people have different opinions about them? The view you expressed is very weak and does absolutely nothing to defend the right of the unborn to have "life". You and many others have views that put at liberty the "rights" of others to terminate life. While at the same time, your conscience tells you it is wrong.

 

yabberefugee, I will address that by asking you to examine the differences between an adult or even newly birthed human being and a ZEF. You and a few others put your opinions out there as reason to eliminate liberties for over half our population because you seem to believe something with less ability to think, feel, or function than the Cow you ate is more important then she is.

 

it says it will punish the children for the sins of the parents, the children have done nothing wrong, that is not a loving God, that is a God to be feared of 'not loving' cause it's a Jealous God

being such a Jealous God that you will punish the children to the 3rd or 4th generation if the parents do not believe in God is a pathetic God indeed

 

Stoning people was written into the religion to instill fear in people to believe, we have to remember that religion was a form of government at the time and the religious rulers wanted to make sure there were no infidels, that everyone followed their religion, thus the let the stoning begin they said, some later people realized this was wrong and tried to end the practice of stoning people

 

the extra sperm and eggs in a petri dish from invitro have no rights, no more rights then your removed skin cells, which are also 'alive', but not a separate person either - and it is definitely not murder to clean the perti dish out when done with it

speaking of rights, does a baby girl or boy that is actually born have the right not to be Circumcised, I think they do, if they want to be Circumcised, they can choose to have such mutilations done to their sexual parts as an adult

 

Let's assume you believe God gave Moses the law. Then the Law was given to prepare the Hebrews to be an example of how God wanted man to live. But the law has little to do with the circumcision. Circumcision was a sign of Gods Covenant with Abraham, 600 years before. During the supposed Exodus Jews were not circumcised, As they died out in the desert, Joshua had the new generation circumcised to renew the Covenant before the supposed invasion of Palestine.
When Jesus was talking about circumcision of the heart he was talking to Jews - not gentiles. The Jews knew what he was talking about because it was their scriptures he was quoting Deut. 30:6. He was calling them back to a relationship with Jahweh. Jesus was a Jew who wanted his people to return to their god.

 

In the case of a male, the circumcision is more than religious, it is a medical benefit, that you as the parent are responsible for.

 

not worth the risk, and in reality it's more cosmetic then anything

man lived for ages without this procedure, it's not necessary

 

Actually there is a medical reason for it.
Most bacteria dies when it comes in contact with oxygen.
Germs and bacteria collect and are protected within an insulator.
Kept dark and warm.

 

I've done all I can for you.

 

There is a benefit.

 

....and God chose the gentiles and grafted them in. He said He would do that and He did. We all learn from the Jewish example. What God did for the Jews benefits all of mankind. It is His-story. I've done all I can for you.

 

True. History is filled with examples. That's exactly what was going on when the Bible was first compiled by Catholic Church leaders under the Emperor of Rome.

 

most people take baths or showers and that is not a issue

 

You need to visit the real world.
Most people don't have the facilities you have.

and if that was a real answer, it applies to every problem in the world.
Most people do such and such.

 

???

 

were talking about laws in America, not third world countries were people do not have access to clean water

 

You are badly misrepresenting the verse:

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"

 

I realize you have no life, and can wash your wanker every 1/2 hour, however most people, even in America cannot, or don't.
Children, and adults, swim in rivers, engage in sports, and do all kinds of activities that expose them to bacteria.

 

You are ignoring the full message of the verse because you are hung up on the vengeful (and Im sure in your view..."petty") image it projects.
It often takes a few generations to repair damage, we see it everywhere.
No where does it say an individual is personally responsible for someone elses sins.

 

That's exactly what it says: iniquity of the fathers upon the children, not just the iniquity of the children on themselves.

 

You've simply taken the verse out of the context of the whole.That's how Christianity came into being.

It's a habit Yabberefugee has,

 

The context doesn't change the words. Whose iniquity? The father's. Who is his iniquity visited upon? His children, unto the third and fourth generation. And there are many examples in the Bible of God taking out someone's sins on their children, including infants. What you are calling "context" is just an attempt to rewrite what the Bible actually says.

 

So a child born to an iniquitous father is punished - even if he doesn't follow his father's ways but loves and serves God. Please!. The context? You've simply posted half the verse.
8 Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate Me,
ט וְעֹשֶׂה חֶסֶד, לַאֲלָפִים--לְאֹהֲבַי, וּלְשֹׁמְרֵי מצותו (מִצְוֺתָי). {ס} 9 AND showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments.

While the Israelites were in the desert they rebelled against god several times. They even set up a golden idol. The men were punished by being denied entry - but their children still received the land promised to them. . That should not have happened for 4 generations according to your interpretation.

As it's all just a story it really doesn't matter.