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    The Biden administration is considering scaling back requirements for electric vehicle production in the U.S. due to challenges in supply chains, consumer demand, and infrastructure.

    The adjustment comes amidst concerns about the feasibility of the initial ambitious goals and the need to balance environmental objectives with economic realities, particularly in an election year where Biden seeks union support.

    Biden Hits the Brakes on EV Transition (msn.com)

    It took the guy long enough. You got auto dealers refusing to buy them (Buick) GM had to buy many of the dealers out. You got auto rental agencies getting rid of them. To many breaking down and to expensive to fix. You got the public not buying them. Many hate them. You got auto manufactures putting the brakes on making them. They're pilling up in their parking lots and now are laying off hundreds and they're losing thousands on making them. How long does it take that idiot to learn? Is he trying to ruin the economy on purpose? Or is it a normal thing these New Democratic Party leaders do?
     
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    I am glad that we have an administration that while also pushing for progress and advancement can see when the goals need to be relaxed.

    EV’s definitely don’t work for everyone but the technology is ever evolving and they indicate a growing market share each year. After owning one I couldn’t imagine having an ICE vehicle as my daily driver.
     
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    Biden Hits the Brakes on EV Transition
    The Biden administration is considering scaling back requirements for electric vehicle production in the U.S. due to challenges in supply chains, consumer demand, and infrastructure.
    The adjustment comes amidst concerns about the feasibility of the initial ambitious goals and the need to balance environmental objectives with economic realities, particularly in an election year where Biden seeks union support.

    It took him long enough. You got auto dealers refusing to buy them (Buick) GM had to buy many of the dealers out. You got auto rental agencies getting rid of them. To many breaking down and to expensive to fix. You got the public not buying them. Many hate them. You got auto manufactures putting the brakes on making them. They're pilling up in their parking lots and now are laying off hundreds and they're losing thousands on making them. How long does it take that man to learn? Is he trying to ruin the economy on purpose? Or is it a normal thing these New Democratic Party leaders do?
     
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    America's EV boom goes bust! Lithium and nickel producers begin mass layoffs and pause multi-billion-dollar projects as US says no to electric car push

    Ford CEO says company will rethink where it builds vehicles after last year's autoworkers Desert Strike Tactical
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    DETROIT (AP) — Last fall's contentious United Auto Workers' strike changed Ford's relationship with the union to the point where it will “think carefully” about where it builds future vehicles, Ford's top executive said Thursday.
    CEO Jim Farley told the Wolfe Research Global Auto Conference in New York that the company always took pride in its relationship with the UAW, having avoided strikes since the 1970s.
    But last year, Ford’s highly profitable factory in Louisville, Kentucky, was the first truck plant that the UAW shut down with a strike.
    Farley said as the company looks at the transition from internal combustion to electric vehicles, “we have to think carefully about our (manufacturing footprint)
    Ford, Farley said, decided to build all of its highly profitable big pickup trucks in the U.S., and by far has the most union members — 57,000 — of any Detroit automaker. This came at a higher cost than competitors, who went through bankruptcy and built truck plants in Mexico, he said. But Ford thought it was the “right kind of cost,” Farley
     
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    :blahblah:

    It comes down to two things: 1. not enough charging stations and 2. our already shaky electrical grid is not ready for that kind of stress.

    First build the infrastructure, then push the transition from fossil fuels. Due to corporate greed, this is being done backwards.
     
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    Why do you need two threads on this issue?
     
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    Corporate greed has nothing to do with the fact that EVs are not a replacement for reliable transportation.
     
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    Great. And the planet only has like a year or two left to live now.

    I'm sure that converting every ICE engine to EV would mean that that 2% of global CO2 we would prevent would save us.
     
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    Careful, someone will call you a fascist conservative thinking like that.
     
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    I'm a centrist and always have been. Independent, no party. I agree with liberal views more than conservative because I do my homework and find that they're right more often than not. I dislike most of today's labels.
     
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    Scaling back has an entirely different meaning for some ;)
     
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    The electric cars also don't get enough miles on a charge.

    The resale value is dropping like a rock because of the cost of the replacement batteries.

    Electronics are not perfected enough. Electric cars have plenty that go wrong with them and they are very expensive to fix.

    When using A/C the battery drains to fast.

    Takes to long to charge them.
     
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    I think you misspelled the Democrat administration attempting to force things down the throat of consumers and manufacturers.
     
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    My Model S easily does 180 miles per day charging over night. With a/c use. And that includes with us limiting the charge to 80% to protect the battery.

    According to the Department of Transportation, the average driver uses around 37 miles per day

    How is that not enough miles?
     
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    37 miles a day if your only going to work. It's not worth a damn if you going across country, or even going to another city like Phoenix to California, which is only a few hundreds of miles away. 100 miles. One of the rental car companies got rid of all their electric cars because to much goes wrong ith them and they are to expensive to fix They are dying on the lots of manufactures. The Buick dealers refuse to buy anymore as people aren't buying them. GM has had to buy the dealers out, costing them billions.
     
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    I have a plug in hybrid. I’ve been hybrids for 15 years. I can’t understand why people still buy ICE only vehicles. My experience with my cars is that operating costs go down by at least half (71.4. Mpg), and there isn’t much of any penalty.

    I also have no doubt that the battery challenge will be resolved sooner rather than later. That’s where the investment is going.
     
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    According to KBB EV’s made up 5.9% of the total market in 2022 which increased to 7.6% in 2023.

    Can you point on the graph below how you are arriving at the statement “no one is buying them”?

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    They don’t currently make sense for rental cars or people that rent as public charging sucks — but if you have a home charger and can plug in at night and unplug in the morning it’s great.

    Do you frequently travel cross country?
     
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    You just couldn't resist tossing in a little hatred, could you?
     
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    More than rental agencies. Buick refuse to buy anymore from GM They aren't selling. They found the trucks when hauling a load get lousy millage. Every time you have to charge up takes a lot of time. Trucks are Ford's bread and butter and they're losing sales

    Couple Tries Electric Truck and Had to Stop Every 100 Miles
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    Overall, the couple's all-electric pickup truck expedition amounted to 2,700 miles and no less than 27 charging stops, which is too much for a high-performance ...
     
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    Top 10 Biggest Used Vehicle Price Drops For October

    Rank Model YoY Difference Avg Price Oct 23 Avg Price Oct 22
    1 Nissan Leaf -30.6% $19,649 $28,304
    2 Tesla Model 3 -30.5% $33,455 $48,171
    3 Chevrolet Bolt EV -28.7% $20,398 $28,625
    4 Tesla Model X -26.2% $61,424 $83,199
    5 Tesla Model S -24.7% $56,655 $75,251
    6 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid -20.0% $33,272 $41,571
    7 BMW 5 Series (hybrid) -18.7% $30,757 $37,812
    8 Land Rover Range Rover -18.3% $69,650 $85,298
    9 Land Rover Discovery -17.9% $37,131 $45,242
    10 Land Rover Range Rover Velar -17.7% $42,511 $51,631
    ** Used Market Average -5.1% $30,972 $32,627
    Based on iSeeCars data

    The resale value on used electric has fallen like a rock compared to gas cars
     
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    How often do you drive across the country?

    Frankly, i think now is a great time to buy an electric car. Prices are down, and range and features are up. For the time being, if I want to drive cross country, I’ll rent a gasser for three weels. Why pay for twelve months to waste gas, when you can pay one?
     
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    Buick does not make electric cars. And they don’t “buy” cars from their parent company. Makes no sense at all.
     
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    There needs to be serious incentives to create charging station areas in parking lots.

    I believe that every Walmart should have a canopy of solar panels covering the parking lot. It can charge autos while people shop inside, and also help power the store.

    Plus your car stays in the shade.
     
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    I recall reading somewhere that Biden may have promised to do this as a carrot to get the autoworkers strike over.
     

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