The biggest number in the universe

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  1. Yant0s

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    Why is 700 the biggest number in the universe? Do you think someone smart could ever break the laws of physics and create a bigger number ?
     
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    What is the number right before infinity and is infinity a number?

    Why would the law of physics apply to numbers which is just a mental construct?

    And isn't even 701 a greater number?
     
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    Are numbers really "in" the universe?
     
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    Infinity is more a concept than a number. There is no ceiling for numbers, and that's the point of the concept. I think the largest number I've heard of named is a googolplex. which is 10^googol, where a googol is 10^100... but one could easily write larger numbers by taking exponents of larger and larger numbers, and the result would be greater than anything in the known universe. But it still wouldn't be infinite.


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    A typical book can be printed with 10^6 zeros (around 400 pages with 50 lines per page and 50 zeros per line). Therefore, it requires 10^94 such books to print all the zeros of a googolplex (that is, printing a googol zeros). If each book had a mass of 100 grams, all of them would have a total mass of 10^93 kilograms. In comparison, Earth's mass is 5.972 × 10^24 kilograms, the mass of the Milky Way galaxy is estimated at 2.5 × 10^42 kilograms, and the total mass of all the stars in the observable universe is estimated at 2 × 10^52 kg.[4]

    To put this in perspective, the mass of all such books required to write out a googolplex would be vastly greater than the masses of the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxies combined (by a factor of roughly 2.0 × 10^50), and greater than the mass of the observable universe by a factor of roughly 7 × 10^39." Googolplex - Wikipedia

    So I guess it's questionable exactly how useful a number bigger than a googolplex would be, as it's so large it dwarfs basically anything we can imagine. We can't even fully write out a googolplex if the entire mass of the universe were converted into paper.
     
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    I guess if one was so inclined you could write out a string of digits that would circle the Earth and then some. Probably run out of names to call them at some point
     
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    No. 700 is the biggest number anything after and you just start repeating yourself.

    Litrerally 700 is the biggest you can go.
     
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    This feels like some kind of joke that I’m not getting or a social experiment.

    Is there some sort of literature on this you can reference?

    Fun number fact, by the way, there are an infinite number of numbers between 0 and 1. Pretty neat to think about.
     
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    I think it's a Cunk on Earth joke... not 100% sure it started there, or if she was really referencing something from youtube.

    Yeah infinitesimal is an interesting concept too.
     
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    Amen.

    By "in the universe" the OP implies the physical world. And it is also obvious that there are numerous physical phenomena that exceed 700 of anything meaningful.

    That poster comes up with the weirdest nonsense imaginable.
     
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    The biggest number in the universe would be the biggest number that can be used to describe something physically real. That would seem to be the number of cubic Planck lengths in the universe (assuming the universe we can see is the only one). Of course, combinatorics allows much larger numbers.
     
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    The biggest number is 299,792,458 meters / second.
    Nothing can exceed that.
     
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    For speed, yes.

    But, that is nowhere near the number of planets, the number of atoms, the number of photons, etc.
     
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    Critical mass of a black hole. That number is 3.2 solar masses at any given point in space. That space takes 0.0133 light years. There are 46 billion observable light years in the universe.

    So maybe that space could theoretically fit 11067 Solar Masses?
     
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    That's a speed, not a number.
     
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    You underestimate the meaning behind the cosmic speed limit.
     
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    Numbers are a social construct. They dont actually exist. Its just a way your brain can simplify something thats otherwise too complex to be useful. You may think you have 3 eggs, but really you have about 3 eggs.The precise amount of eggs you have is actually between 2.9 eggs and 3.1 eggs, with the fraction extending off into infinite. But there arent many situations where you need 3.000000000000000000000174etc eggs. So you just say you have 3. Which really just makes you lazy, and a liar.

    ;)
     
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    Infinity is more of a concept than anything.

    What's interesting is that the OP said there's no number greater than 700. The second post said it was 701. Truthfully, you can't write the next number after 700. Why? Because a number closer to 700 exists.

    And this is why I hate pure mathematics. It takes the easiest thing to comprehend and makes it incomprehensible.
     
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    No, you don't know what a number is.
     
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    A number without units(context) is nothing(meaningless).
     
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    Nonsense. Mathematics handles this issue perfectly well.

    It's reasonable to talk about integers. It's also reasonable to talk about fractions. Beyond that, one gets to the full spectrum of real numbers.

    These are all extremely useful to physicists in describing the real world in which we live.
     
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    Negative numbers don't exist reality except to describe the difference of where reality is and where we expect it to be. Imaginary numbers are even more complicated. I don't even know what it's describing.
     
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    Yes, you're using mathematics to help describe our universe - two different fields of study, both highly useful.

    Your math doesn't consider that we live in three spatial dimensions. There are other problems with that math, too.

    Also, a black hole has an event horizon, but what is at the center of a black hole is unknown in any way. So, saying they have a radius has a limited meaning.
     
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    Negative numbers are useful in representing rates of expansion and contraction, and other differences. One could use negative numbers in economics and all sorts of other sciences.

    Imaginary numbers come from cases where an equation includes the square root of a negative number.

    Physics doesn't absolutely require imaginary numbers, but they greatly simplify mathematical descriptions of various phenomena.
     
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    No, it identifies a magnitude.
     
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    Consider the following...

    Since each coordinate in the universe is uniquely affected by physical [and cosmic] forces, any object that would occupy any space would be unique, as well. If we can agree on this, then it follows that all things are unique and there is no such thing as more than 1. That is, numbers were created to bring some order to the physical world [within the context of human intelligence] which works pretty well for some things but obviously makes little sense at its limits [towards 0 and whatever infinity might mean].

    If you wish to take this a step further, you can then eliminate the idea of time and physical space, as well, and begin to consider the notion that all things are [literally] One. It is only perspective [and our limited human intelligence that creates the perception of space/time in all these things]. It is much like the difference between observing an object from an infinite distance and at 1B x mag [and everywhere in between]. What would the reality be here?
     

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