The Butcher of Tehran

Whenever I hear someone say 'white people' I suspect I am dealing with a racist,
Germany, Japan, Russia and America are some of the nations trying to build a
nuclear weapon in WWII, The target for the American one was long thought to be
Germany. No-one was taking skin color into consideration.
I lost family in the Pacific War. I think the casualty rate on some of those islands
such as Iwa Jima, Tarawa and Okinawa was about 1500 per square kilometer. The
Japanese ambition was ten dead Americans for every Japanese - in the southern
island of Kyushu there were stationed a million soldiers who would fight to the death,
and every civilian was also prepared. And there was no prospect of a mystery landing
with nearyby resources like D-Day in Normandy. Those two bombs did one percent
each of the total damage done to war time Japan, and they were the most important
in saving lives.

The Islamist bomb won't be anything like this.

Helping Iraq? America has helped China too, and Russia, and Italy, and France, and
Iran, and Cuba etc.. Nations that did America no favors later. Happens all the time.

 

Of course Iraq had chemical weapons - Used them on Iran and the Kurds

 

Chemical weapons are AKA WMD's.
Saddam had WMD's. Even the Russians believed he still had them when the
Americans began looking for them.

 

Chemical Weapons indeed are WMD .. and Saddam used them on the Kurds and Iran while we were allied with him.

This was prior to Desert Storm though - after which - most - if not all of his chemical weapons were destroyed. They found some unusable corroded buried chemical weapons after the War in Iraq. .. so Saddam was not found to have any usable Chem weapons.

What he didn't have was an active Chemical Weapons program - nor any other WMD program that we know of. Was all made up lies, false narrative, mischaracterization .. the intentional kind .. to get the country to support the rush to war - and they were successful.

There was no "Mushroom Cloud" that was iminent such that "We need to Act Now" - Lies, Lies ..and more lies.

 

The mushroom cloud fears largely evaporated when Israel sent its F16's over to Baghdad.
Iran wil be another matter.
But just wail and see if the Pakistan Taliban can seize power with the help and sanctuary of
the Afghan Taliban - THEN we will see interesting times (who to hit first? Tel Aviv. Rome,
New Delhi or Washington?)

nb Saddam said he 'tipped the chemicals out in the desert somewhere' but provided no
evidence. A precautionary approach would be to assume he hadn't done this at all.

 

Nothing in your post addresses the fact that the war in Iraq was based on falsehood and lies .. from start to finish ... with the full on state sponsored propaganda war.

Pakistan's nukes are a completely separate issue - no idea how we got here .. warping into a new universe .. but Yeah .. we should be darn worried about the extremists in Pakistan taking over. Far more worried about that than Iran ..

This is a sht show - brought to us by the French and USA - letting pandora out of the box .

Lets hope sleepy joe doesn't accidentally hit the nuke botton... or Israel ?! - making a mess of things Israel has been .. a bad little state actor that needs to have its wings clipped and be reigned in.

 

I think todays giant is in a coma.

 

Yes, Bush Jnr had no business invading Iraq. His father had every business 'invading' Kuwait.
But the facts -
1 - Saddam had WMD's and used them to kill people
2 - Saddam worked on all three WMD's
3 - Saddam said he got rid of his WMD's but provided no evidence
4 - Saddam hindered efforts for the international community to find evidence.

You need to be aggressive. Read last night Obama negotiated a deal between China and
The Phillipines over the Scarborough Shoals. Both nations were to leave the shoals. The
Phillipines left and China stayed. Then China's Xi promised not to 'militarize' the shoals,
but then set up radars and missiles. And to China's astonishment - America did nothing.
The issue isn't 'American militarism' but American weakness. For which we could all pay
a price.

 

Why are you spouting this nonsense... we all know Saddam "HAD" WMD back when we were supporting him - and didn't seem to mind.

But - he didn't have them just prior to the Iraq war .. and we found nothing - but regardless - we know that the Bush admin was Lying about a whole bunch of stuff..

Crying out - "We can't prove that 10% was propaganda" - doesn't change the fact that the other 90% was proven ... hence why Colin Powell was so pissed .. made to look stupid.

Then you warp into outer space and all of a sudden we are talking about China .. in a convo about Saddam and WMD ?

 

We went looking and didn't find the WMD's (probably gone to Syria)
That shouldn't make you 'look bad.' It's called 'precaution.' Note how greenies use the term 'precautionary
principle' if there's a one in a million chance some DNA or nuclear apparatus might fail.
Looking bad is when you don't look because you believe the word of a pathological liar in Saddam Hussein.

 

You seem hell bent on believing the word of pathological liars - aka the Bush Admin - despite the fact that the investigation after the fact found no WMD -- but did find that they were pathological liars.

 

No, if Bush was a pathological liar like Saddam he would have said 'WE FOUND THE WMD'S.'
Truth be told:
Saddam had and used WMD's.
Saddam claimed he 'tipped them out in the desert somewhere.'
Saddan obstructed the search teams.

Smart move? Go looking.
And in any case, today Iraq is a sort-of democracy - and doesn't kill dissidents, Iranians or Kuwaitis.

 

It's just a thing where you do not want the "islamist" to do what white people already have done. So that's where you get it "when not they but other groups kill civilians, that's when they draw a hypocritical line." I got no problem tossing in the race card.

So you got going:
Soldiers would fight, as an excuse to commit genocide against civilians
And civilians would fight, but they actually surrendered. So that's a lie.

Because?

The US helped Iraq kill civilians. It was all fine in the 1980 when the Kurds and Iranians were the victims. Nobody really is going to doubt that the US would react the same when Jews would be targeted.

 

That is because Westerners with their stupid gay culture are losing.
We have to accept the defeat.

 

There's a ton of moral equivaleny in this.
Why do you think Americans WANTED to kill civilians?

Why would a nuclear bomb be different in an Islamlist's hands? I thought that was fairly obvious -
nations like Britain, France, Russia and America have been extremely careful about using an atom
bomb in conflict (so far) but to the Taliban of Pakistan for instance, an atomic bomb furthers their
ambition to prosletyze the world, or die trying. What do Islamists say? 'You love life but we love death.'

 

The Americans even build Japanese towns in the US to see what the best way it was to firebomb them. Let's be honest about it. It was 1940-1945... the age where the US had no problem with beating black people into the 2nd class citizens.
They picked up ethnic American Japanese civilians and put them into concentration camps. Nothing of the sort happened to ethnic German Americans.... it would have mean putting the Trumps behind bars. Racism was totally fine for the Arian and Jewish people in the US inflicting it on others. And racism is still widely present in the US army today.

So tell me, what on earth gave you the impression that the US didn't want to kill civilians in Japan?

It still is that the US used it on civilians, on purpose. #white privilege

 

No, not 'white privelege '- that betrays your bias with fashionable, racist ideas.
Asians study and work hard in America - you gonna call that 'Asian privelege'?
The stats on 1500 casualtiers per square kilometer in the Pacific Island campaign
suggested the invasion of Japan would be a messy affair - predictions of two million
dead are laughable - there were a million soldiers on the southermost island of Japan
alone, and not counting an armed civilian population. If fought like Germany- maybe
twenty million, including all POW's. Thank goodness for the bomb - it gave the emperor
the excuse he needed to end the war and the bomb gave the army the excuse to accept
this demand. Not that it mattered - fire bombing was vastly more effective.

The big issue with Japanese internment was largely over what happened at Pearl Harbor.
A downed Japanese pilot found support from Japanese citizens. This alarmed the general
public more than the government - what happened if the same thing happened on the
mainland?

 

You are utterly out of line with claiming there was no white privilege during the Jim Crow era.

You got excuses why the Arians and Jews rounded up the Japanese, putting them into concentration camps.
Abysmal conditions, people died there. Their property got extensively looted.

You got no reply that before the US nuked Japan, that they researched how to incinerate Japanese cities with fire bombs.
Something the US extensively did. The US policy was burn the Japanese civilian population alive.
They later just did that with 1 bomb a city.



I also like to note that the entire idea that "the bomb" was the reason why Japan called it quits as a completely western / American point of view. Fact is, the USSR beat the nazi's. They started to beat them from Moscow all the way to Berlin. The US joined the fight when Germany was already losing big time. It was the USSR who got Berlin. It was them who stopped Hitler. According to what the allied agreed, the USSR would enter the fight against Japan (top of my head) 2 months after the war against Germany, and so they did. They totally ran over Japan on the mainland, capturing over a million soldiers in just weeks. The USSR army was simply on an entire different level compared to Japan. They did not stop there. Their eastern fleet without a dent set sail to Japan, while their army... ENTERED JAPAN! Russia still occupied those parts today! Japan surrendered immediately not to the USSR but to the US when THAT happened.

Let it be clear that none of what the USSR did is common knowledge of American citizens who get fed the idea that the nuke bomb was the answer and the much needed excuse to massacre civilians. It's just a spin to justify the American genocidal campaign that started with firebombing civilian cities to burn people alive.

 

My grandfather who fought in WW2 hated the Americans. He claimed they entered
both world wars when the fighting was largely over and claimed the victory. I believed
him - he was there, I wasn't. The story isn't quite that believable though as I read a lot.

Each nuke did 1% total damage in Japan. Both cities were back in action within weeks.
98% of all wartime damage was done by conventional weapons - mostly bombs.
The policy wasn't to burn civilians alive - though that was considered a vulnerability to
both sides way back in the 1920's. No point in killing civilians - Japanese military didn't
care. The point was to burn out infrastructure and factories supporting the war. You don't
waste bombs.
The area of bombing was small compared to incendary bombs. Yes, Russia was a bigger
concern. The Bomb was meant as a psychological thing. It turned out to be a political act.

Never mentioned Jim Crowe and the Democrats.

 

Irrelevant.

As mentioned before. The US had a policy to firebomb civilians in their cities hence. They even researched how they could do this in the most efficient way. Your numbers support this.

Negative.
Testing on the Japanese Village at Dugway Proving Ground coincided with the erosion of precision bombing practice in the U.S. Army Air Force and validated civilians as targets of air warfare during World War II. As such, the interiors of Japanese Village contained furnishing (including tables, futon, radios, chests, hibachi stoves, etc.) as found in contemporaneous Japanese housing. The most successful bomb to come out of the May–September 1943 tests against the mock-up Japanese homes was the napalm-filled M-69 Incendiary cluster bomb. Contenders had been the M-47 (containing coconut oil, rubber, and gasoline) and the M-50 (a blend of magnesium and powdered aluminum and iron oxide). Also tested was the "Bat bomb" a lightweight "bat incendiary" that was attached to live bats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Village_(Dugway_Proving_Ground)

They burning of civilian housing in only Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya exceeded what the allied did to all the civilian housing in Germany.
That's just 3 cities. They did around 57 more. So you're just talking nonsense and attempting to white wash the geocidal Arian ways.

I doubt you ever heard that the USSR accomplished the capture over a million soldiers and set foot on Japanese soil. Put this into your imagination: with that capture of over a million soldiers and setting foot on Japanese soil, the Russians accomplished more in some weeks then the US was able to do in years.

The US only tagged along in the WWII theatre when the Russians were already winning there as well.

Never mention there was no white privilege during the Jim Crow era.

 

Interesting take on the war in the Pacific.America 'tagged along' behind the Russians.
I always thought Midway, the Solomon Islands, Coral Sea, Iwa Jima etc were American
affairs. Taking some norther islands is not the same as landing troops on Kyushu and
facing a million dug in Japanese soldiers.
Must ask my family why no-one mentioned Russian soldiers.

I suggest a better explanation. Japan whipped the Russians, the Russians sought some
skin in the game when the game was over with the sole purpose of dividing Japan in the
same way they divide Germany and Korea - and still with tragic results. See today's news
about mass graves ca 1930's in Ukraine. About 13 million killed - and nothing to do with
your 'white supremacy' because they were all white.

The so called 'white privege' of the segregation era was a Democratic thing - the same
people who today invented this vicious term. The same people who gave you the KKK.
That's 'Democrat Privelege'

 

Those little islands mean nothing, compared to the islands that the USSR took in WWII, right next to a main Japanse island eyeballing it from the north. While they just captured +1 million soldiers with Korea, and had a massive fleet with no scratch on it, eyeballing the main Japanese island from the south.

I told you before. The USSR captured over 1 million soldiers in just weeks, while the US had massive problems with Japanese soldiers.

Japan whipped the Russians? What? The USSR war vs Japan was a 1 way street of victory by the USSR. You're just making it all up. In reality, it was the US who begged the USSR to also fight against Japan at the Yalta Conference, and set the exact day when the USSR would join in. And the USSR followed through. No doubt you never heard about the Yalta Conference.

Ah... you're now at a "so called" white privilege, during the Jim Crow era. You can't even be honest that the down right utterly racist era of the USA where black people legally were treated as 2nd class is, is white privilege but a "so called" white privilege. tss tss

 

Japan thrashed Russia, sunk two of its navies.
First time Asians beat Europeans in a major, modern war.

About ten years ago I travelled across USA. Didn't have
internet access so we would stop at libraries and use their
PC's. Took opportunity to study WHO was in these libraries.
Went like this
80% Asian
20% white American
0% African American.

Libraries are free and there's no color bar.
Tomorrow, put it crudely, 80% of the wealth will belong to
Asian Americans, 20% belong to white Americans and
0% percent belong to African Americans.

And I mean 'Asian' in the technical term - including black
Pakistanis and black Indians. Good for them. The lazy
bear tribute.

 

It has nothing to do with the Yalta Conference, where the US begged the USSR to end the neutrality pacts with the Japanese and attack Japan... all in order to end WWII for the US. And the USSR delivered by capturing +1 million soldiers in some weeks. Invading Japan to eye ball a main island of Japan from the north. Eyeball the other main island of Japan from the south by liberating Korea, and have a massive navy without a dent.

Japan was fully aware what that battle hardened scorched earth applying soldiers would do to Japan and it's civilians.... and unconditionally surrendered only to the US, for obvious reasons. And who can blame Japan for only surrendering to the US... Russia STILL occupies those parts of Japan that they took in WWII. The USSR would have kept the main norhtern island at the end of the war. Documents show that.

 

I dont even think you aware of the chronology.

The US pleaded the USSR to enter the war. At Teheran conference the USSR agreed to do so.
At Yalta conference the USSR agreed to do so in 3 months after ending the war against Germany.
The Germans surrendered on paper on the 7th of May.
The US nuked Japan on the 6th and 9th of August.
8th of August, 3 months after the defeat of Germany, the USSR openly announced to go to war vs Japan the next day.
9th of August, the start of the USSR vs Japan war and entering Korea / North of China
18th of August, the start of the USSR invading Japan in the north
25th of August and Korea was fully liberated to start eyeballing Japan from the South
1st of September and USSR secured the northern Japanese islands to eyeball Japan main Island from the North.
2nd of September: unconditionally surrender to the US.


So can we please end the horseplay that virtually nothing happened between the 2nd atomic bomb and the end of the war against Japan? Any normal person can see that Japan losing their entire army on China/Korea of 1 million strong between that 9th of August and 25th of August shocked their idea's of what they still could do, to the core. And them losing their own islands for good, not being able to lift a finger against it, while the USSR was just warming up... was just IT.