The Canadian attitude toward attacks articulated

because hateful bigots love to hate.

its that simple.

 

Ah come on - leave me alone with your sacred cows, Jews and Natives theses days, after all these centuries you spent puking on both. Jews, of all time, has been tied to about every form of power everywhere in the occident because their religion permitted them to loan money with interest (as long as it was for gentiles) and that's how they grew to be the economic and lobbying force we all know today, even thought the regular, non-rich Jews were paying for their excesses at the hands of bigots for it.

It's not because they are Jews that they are incapable of doing wrong. Like every other culture on earth, they have their good and bad sides. Among their bad ones is the institutionalized xenophobism of their orthodoxes and Israel, that treats Palestinians exactly like the Jews themselves were treated during the Nazi regime, or during any progroms where they were in cause, and no amount of PC correction will change that.

I don't care about being called an "antisemite", furthermore when it's coming from blatant racists and supremacists like Ronstar. The term, anyway, has been so much loaded that it doesn't even mean a thing today.

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Seems like you know what you are talking about, huh?

 

let us know when the Israelis open massive death camps and gas chambers to murder millions of Palestinians. Until then, your claim is dishonest flamebait.

standing up to Nazis and bigots, doesn't make me a racist or a supremacist.

 

If it's like the Nazi regime, it should happen something like 2 years after being engaged in a real war. For now, there is little difference between how Israel acted and how the Nazi regime acted before the Final Solution was adopted.

No, but standing up next to the Israeli nazis sure does. The essence of your interventions in this thread was to attack first the Quebecois, then the French, and now the Germans (and soon I guess, the Palestinians/Arabs), all the time without any relevance to the OP. Draw you own conclusions. I know I did.

Face it, Ronstar; Everytime the Jews had been at odds with another culture, it was always the other culture's fault for you. In your mind, you guys can't simply do no wrong, probably because you guys are "the chosen people" and all of the others, simple goyims, between genuine human beings and cattle made to serve you By His Decree. You may be a liberal all you want, as soon as the subject veers towards Israel and the Jews you get yourself into "collective mode", having no more ideals nor principles of your own to become a simple mouthpiece for your "Queen's" propaganda. Even those who throw themselves on their bellies for you today are to be view with vigilence and suspicion from your community. You are the only ethnicity for which racism, bigotery and xenophobism is excused by the powers that be.

So don't push your luck to far with the "Jewish Card". Your cred is getting thin.

 

Your synopsis of Jewish History is simplistic and incorporates bigoted stereotyping.
Your equivocation of Jewish "bad/good" and especially your godwin comparision are characteristics of arguments one expects from a typical jew hater (granted simple anti-Zionism could also be a motivation)

I might also add your insistence on using the term natives could also be viewed as derogatory. In your environment it would be like calling fellow quebecois - Lower Canadians.

 

like I said, classic Vichy anti-Semitism

 

Pf! Go on, go full PC on me - it doesn't change the facts I outlined, and that you didn't address.

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Classical Talmudic supremacism.

Hasbara.

 

lol!!!

its like I'm reading straight from Stormfront or National Vanguard.

the thing is, Im not a supremacist nor do I view non-Jews with any contempt.

 

Except, of course, Quebecois, French, Germans, Palestinians and Arabs, etc. You Jews have the right to hate anyone you please, so go for broke, while it lasts. After that, when they are well diminished, just do like the WASP did and make sacred cows out of the survivors, siding with them as if your life depended on it no matter what the debate is. That should ease your aching conscience... not.

 

again, I have no contempt for such people.

you accuse me of such things, but its simply false.

 

Interesting that pointing out that your perspective and vocabulary are what jew haters regularly employ in their arguments is going full PC on you?

You didn't outline any facts, you spouted opinions based on generalizations which is a notable hallmark of all run of the mill bigots.

 

He is in charge of 3,000 armed Parliamentary guards. He was a retired RCMP Superintendent Inspector who made his way uup fromt he lowest rank.

He does that ceremonial position you say plus the above. Most people had no idea he did both or that he had a service revolver which he actually kept in a locked box.

Jonsa speaks for me on his comments. Well stated J.

 

This person is someone I really respect-he and Gwynne Dwyer another Newfoundlander are my favourite Canadian editorialists. This man epitomizes a kind of eloquence that was very common in Newfoundland politicians and journalists and I am afraid is being assimilated into the new journalism.

I am glad you show-cased him. He is an accurate example of what we think.

He pretty much captures what most of us Canadians believe. The other one in his own awkward and not as eloquent way would be Don Cherry on this matter.

We Canadians are modest patriots. We do not like excessive displays of chauvenism and its part of a modesty we inherited from the British in WW2 in being calm and carrying on. There's a sort of tradition of being stiff lipped and quiet and calm. We don't have the Yank's bravado or swagger. We prefer to be a lot more quiet and subtle but make no mistake we respect our military. Its a non partisan respect. Soldiers are considered working class heroes. We don't see them in a political sense but as a symbol of volunteerism and idealism.

Our military tradition does not glorify war. We thank our soldiers for our privileges and freedom. We don't glorify t

My father was an air force veteran who switched to the army after the war. He is in his 90s' now. He used to bring me to see the war vets from WW1 and 2. These soldiers never glorified war. There was a respect for life in what they told me. No soldier would talk about himself ever. Their eyes often said it all and they would not need to speak.

It took me years to understand why their eyes were that way. It took me many years to understand why some eyes can not tear up anymore or never close in the night but I eventually learned from their dignity and silence.

You know J, we Canadians like many other peoples respect soldiers for many reasons but its quite simply because they did and do what they do for us. That is all. When a man is willingt ogive his life so I can be free well I can't imagine more of a sacrifice. I say that in respect to all soldiers.

The person who chose this thread to spew off insulting such people is ironically able to do what he does because of their sacrifice and he has no clue why.

I appreciated your bringing this man's words onto the forum and responding to the child eloquently without losing your temper. Good on you for this thread.

 

Excerpts from Rex Murphy's printed remarks, equally eloquent, and my views:

Link to story, excerpts below:

To the most enduring question of ours — what does it mean to be Canadian? — the passersby who tended the soldier, the Sergeant-at-Arms, the young solider at the tomb, and WO Vincent, the career military man going about his business in the uniform he earned the right to wear, gives us the answer we need.

It was a dark week, but one too that had more than its share of special light. We will remember our fallen, and the light that they shone. Send
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I am not Canadian, but being a citizen of a country bound to yours by history, language and both action for and love of freedom, perhaps I can weigh in. We all witnessed the events described by Rex Murphy. I cannot improve on his writing, nor will I try to.

My stepfather, who fought for the U.S. in Normandy, often told me of Canada's heroism on Juno Beach. Before that, there was Vimy Ridge, which showed the world that while Canada does not look for a fight, it is a worthy adversary if handed one.

What sticks out most in my mind was Canada's rescue of American diplomats in Teheran in 1979-80, and the maintenance of their safety at great peril to that of their Canadian hosts over those long, dreary months. Canada, a land cold in climate, warm in contributions to humanity and the civilized world.

Despite your hate, scorn and cynicism there is a difference when the attack in on democracy. If someone kills a security guard at CostCo it is indeed a tragedy. But that is a family and community, not national matter. Whether the assailant was a jihadist or lone wolf, his target was Canada, not primarily the soldier.

Would you prefer North Korea? That's what it sounds like.

Sounds like you're off your meds.

 

Yet it was sufficient to confound your argumentation, and transform you into a PC police officer. You now stick to forms rather than contents.

Political Correctness is but a socially acceptable mean of preventing people to express themselves. If you think I am going to stop calling a cat "a cat", you've got the wrong person, let me tell you. I am a stranger to this WASPish hypocrisy of yours. If this PC now forms the bulk of your present argumentation, well, it was a pleasure discussing with you while you were doing it.

 

"Love of Freedom" my behind. As we speak the Canadian Parliement just gave increased powers to the Canadian Secret Services to further spy on us and give this information to foreign powers, using this tragedy. "Freedom" isn't the right to kill people with an assault rifle in a foreign part of the world - it is what you are allowed to do or speak right at home.

Well, that's totally irrelevant.

One thing is sure; His target wasn't the Canada I am willing to defend. It is a hawkish Canada, one that is looking to get its nose brown by sucking it up to the other imperialistic powers. I think I would have been more moved by the death of a CostCo sec guard; one thing is sure, is that it wouldn't lead to the curtailing of our present liberties.

Short of relevant interlocutors, more like.

 

No, it didn't confound me in the slightest. If you review my posts you will find that I always respond to bigoted generalizations in the same fashion. If you think PC extends to bigotry and inaccurate stereotyping then your definition of PC needs a little updating.

Run along. Hide your bigotry behind a lame whining about PC. I am neither a wasp, nor a hypocrite.

But that's okay, I am well aware of an undercurrent of bigotry within the francophone community. It must come from all those generations who heard all about all the Christ killers on Sundays while listening to the most outrageously ignorant rationale for the Jews disproportionate success and contributions in all areas of society. that being said, everyone is responsible for their own opinions regardless of how ill informed they might be, which is why I cut no slack to anyone.

OTOH, those that know me around here know that I readily admit to being a bigot against a number of ideologies and one genetic aberration (pedophilia). I stand up for my beliefs and don't try to distance myself when called out.

 

Political Correctness means "not attacking Jews for the evil people that they are"??

wow. According to you anyone who is not a racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic bigot is "PC".

 

If I read your posts, I'll find that you let go of many points during that discussion, and in some case you got out of the content to discuss form. This is part of it.

I am not hiding anything - in fact, I'm getteing attacked because I don't. You hide your bogotry behind lame PC. Here is the proof:

Here. It didn't took you that much. I knew you were the minute you wrote about Duplessis.

Oh, and on anti-semitism (or any other kind of racism, really) - Quebec has no lessons to receive from the rest of Canada. Just press me a bit more and I'll go totally OT to put this past you try to forgot back into your face. I dare you.

Well, at least that's more honest than I believed it possible for you. Sorry I took you for a WASP.

 

Yeah, and yet you can still hate Quebecois, the French, the Germans and whoever had a brush with your supremacist tribe and still be PC. Depends on the geist, I suppose. In the early 20th century, people barely remarked an antisemite - it was kinda fashionable in the occident. Well today, it's Arabophobia that is the rage.

You're just a slave to fashion, in other words.

 

Cheers. and ditto your remarks on Cherry. Eloquent is the last word I'd use to describe him, but he sure can hit the nail on the head.

I live literally around the corner from Downsview AFB so I encounter uniformed personnel on a frequent basis. I ALWAYS thank them for their service. Its the least I can do.

 

I don't hate anyone, but bigots.

 

Really with who do I let bigotry go? If I do its because I have a long history of interaction with that person who is a aware of my positions as I am of their bigotry.

Yes you are. You are hiding the nature of your stereotyping behind accusations I am going PC on you.

Are you not aware of the under current of anti-Semitism in Quebec? .An undercurrent that exists throughout the nation. In some places its an overcurrent and in many its just an accepted attitude by people who have never met a jew and don't really think about it.

But I am not accusing all of Quebec of being jew haters as you seem to be taking my true observation of its existence. My supposition as to the source of that undercurrent may or may not be true. But I could say the same thing about the protestant church in Ontario.

I have met quite a few separatists in my time and every single one of them was hypersensitive to perceived criticism of Quebec regardless of its truth. Granted its still anecdotal, but thank you for contributing to the validation of that observation.


As to the history of anti-Semitisms in Canada, I need no education from you.

for your edification:

I HATE: Nazis, holocaust deniers, white power nationalists, religious fanatics of all stripes, commies, your run of the mill racist bigots and pedophiles. Of them all, I only advocate pedophiles immediate removal from the gene pool.

You'll find I ALWAYS try to tell the truth as I see it. I can get my facts wrong. I can make semantic mistakes, I can misinterpret and even utilize logical fallacies and most definitely hold objectionable opinions to some, but I do not generally prevaricate and NEVER to win a debate.

 

yes, its humorous when bigots try to excuse their bigotry by accusing them who oppose their blatant bigotry, of being "politically correct".

this used to be very common in the USA, when it came to bigots who hate black people.

 

You see political incorrectness in superficial details, like how one names a minority, but you don't see it when people shows genuine racism, like you and Ronstar do. In these case, you are fooled, and think you can fool other by hiding it behind "neutral words". Well, it may be working in your circles, but hardly in mine.

No, and for a good reason: there is no such thing. Oh Jews who complain to high heavens (and to his lawyers), that we have, like everywhere else, but genuine anti-semitism? I dare you.

There is no middle ground with you people: You either hate the Jews and/or the natives, or throw yourself on your belly in front of them. In general the later happens because you attempt to soothe your crying conscience (or that of your people), but deep inside you still hate them. It would have been better if you respected them in the first place - you wouldn't be forced to elecate them to sacred cow status as an heritage for the next generations.

Well, I read a great deal of RoC papers, and discuss with a lot of you guys on these fora, and I can tell you one thing: Quebec-bashing is alive and well in Canada.

A most wise decision.

For my part I hate hypocrits, double-standard people and Political Correctness, hich is all the same thing, really. I also hate the present stance of Canada on the international scene, because of the same reasons. If we really want to help out these people, let us do so in what we're doing best: Help them rebuild and to get along.