The carbon tax explained

A prediction supported by the current state of scientific knowledge at the moment:
Continued GHG emissions at or above current rates would cause further warming and induce many changes in the global climate system during the 21st century that would very likely be larger than those observed during the 20th century
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/syr/en/spms3.html

On what are you basing your opinions Uncle? Lord Monckton's blog?

 

Ohhh...you are one of Tony Abbotts "climate change is crap" disciples.

Why are you even bothering trying to discuss the tax when you don't even understand the need for CO2 reduction? Sorry mate - but the world has moved on.

 

AUSTRALIA'S climate change policies will lead greenhouse gas emissions to balloon out of control in the next few years, the federal government says in an annual report to the United Nations.

Instead of the 5 to 25 per cent cut being offered by the government, the nation would pump out 24 per cent more carbon dioxide by 2020, the Climate Change Minister, Greg Combet, said, using the data to make the case again for a price on carbon.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...o2-emissions-will-balloon-20110208-1alqn.html

LOL...

Looks like we is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed!!!

LOL

 

This is funny? Why?

 

Becuase people think the way to fix this is giving more money to poor people!

I love the statements that poor people will be better off under a carbon tax plan!

They can call it the Robin Hood Plan, hey comrade!

LOL

 

So what is your alternative strategy for reducing greenhouse gas emissions?

 

The IPCC has been soundly debunked for cooking the books.

It's not a wild statement bugsy, it is just logic.
Mans activities are causing a rise in the concentration of co2 and other 'greenhouse gases' in the atmosphere, right?
These aforementioned 'greenhouse gases' are causing the earths temparature to rise, right?
The aforementioned rising temparature is causing climate change, right?
Therefore, the only way to stop or reverse the climate change you say we already have and stop any further climate change from happening, we will have to completely stop ANY further man-made 'greenhouse gases' from entering the atmosphere.
Therefore we must completely shut down western civilisation in its entirety because if we don't, man-made greenhouse gases will continue to pour into the atmosphere, the concentrations will continue to rise and climate change will continue to happen.

One thing is certain, Gillards brainless carbon tax will not have the slightest effect on the climate. Especially while at the same time she brainlessly withdraws funding from, and adds taxes to, alternative clean fuels and other sources of energy.

 

I see you have taken a leaf out of ians book and are now telling lies by omission. Why don't you quote and comment on the WHOLE of my message.

Your reply above has nothing whatever to do with the message I posted. You are bleating about entirely different topics.

 

Make Al Gore turn his lights off.

Make all world climate change meetings via video link.

 

Foreign Affairs Minister Kevin Rudd was coy last night about which of his cabinet colleagues had supported the strategy of "killing" the emissions trading scheme altogether in March and April last year.


But The Sydney Morning Herald has already reported who did.


Initially we heard that it was national secretary Karl Bitar and NSW Right frontbencher Mark Arbib.


But in a deeper post-election post-mortem of the period during which the Rudd government hit the wall, we discovered that two other frontbenchers had also eventually come around to advocate what was being called the "kill option" - Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/n...s-killed-from-within-labor-ranks/2124461.aspx

LOL

Juliar and Swandive have always wanted a ETS - when it suited them!

LOL

Ahhh the elite left make me laugh.

 

Really?!?!?

When did this happen?

Could you give us a clue?

 

No.

There is no way to stop or reverse the climate change we already have anytime in the next several hundred years.

What we can do it to minimise further damage by reducing emissions.

It is not a difficult concept.

 

The "whole" of your message is just rabid parrotting of crap Alan Jone taught you.


We learn everything we need to know from this bit:

It's pretty clear that Gillard and Labor are not the slightest bit interested in what they keep referring to as 'climate change'.

You are just a denier. A waste of space.

Ignore list for you

 

That was an interesting QandA last night.


A while ago - a very smart man wrote:

We got the big mea culpa last night. If he still has that knife Julia left in his back - he may be sharpening it.

 

You seem as happy as me that the ALP are ripping themselves to bits!

 

I don't have a lot of time for the ALP. I have only voted for the ALP once I think - in '97, just to make sure JWH got the arse.


I was pleased to see Julia replace Kevin. I liked the cut of her jib and I thought she would do a good job. As difficult to believe as this is - I may have actually been wrong! First time for everything.

Come back Kevvy. All is forgiven.

 

There you go mate.

Fixed that up for ya!

 

That is not a fair shake of the sauce bottle.

 

Bugsy has refused to quote my whole message so here it is again. Please tell me where I have 'parroted' Alan Jone and please tell me where I am wrong.

Juliar and Swandive have lent further lies to their carbon tax explanation by proceeding to crush any attempts at replacing coal and petroleum as energy sources.

 

Anyway you asked a serious Q of me and i should answer...

More options to curtail household power usage. Solar and insulation are 2 things (REALLY WELL IMPLEMENTED and CONTROLLED) that should be looked at again.

I like the greening of roofs on city buildings.

Larage scale solar - at last Mildura is getting one built, a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pilot plant! All these years and we get a pilot plant, with the real thing still years away. this is my problem, we need more power for the population now. Where will it come from? We'll be buring coal for years, may as well make it as clean as possible.

I think the new building codes are OK BUT what will be the $$?

Lots and lots of trees.

Everyone should eat less meat.

Tell Tim Flannery to shut up?

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but you haven't really expressed a view either way on this issue. You have said that the science isn't unequivocal and that's about it.

 

The frustrating thing about this thread is that i have gone to reasonable lengths to explain to people that you're all ignorant on this issue and that when you agree or disagree it's because of something other than your understanding of the science (which is poor at best). I think it's fair to say that i've been ignored and the pro/con people are at it again spouting off their relative ignorance.

Oh, and Stormbringer, i notice you've returned here after other people have returned to the tired 'old' debate after being scared off. Good for you: Way to challenge yourself.

 

What issue Recusant? The thread is about the carbon tax which Joooliar wants to introduce. We are not ignorant on that issue, we have hers and Swan's announcements and other related actions to discuss and debate.
Despite certain ignorant individuals constently accusing me otherwise, I have said more than once that I believe man kind is having an effect on the earths climate. What I DO NOT believe is the political rethoric we are getting to justify the carbon tax.

 

Hi Recusant,

You're right of course. Most of these people know nothing but claim they do because they listen to Abbott or Jones. Implicitly. Which, to quote Mr Abbott is "crap".

Some of them still call it global warming when the term is "climate change" and has been for several years. Tells you how much reading they do doesn't it?

Some of the people who have replied on this thread are totally ignorant on most topics but quote shock jocks and things they "heard" rather than read and learn. And they don't know how to read a post in toto. They pick words one at a time and attack that and ignore the real meaning. They know who they are. As such their responses are both pointless and impossible to follow so I ignore them now.

Some keep saying get back to the issue, carbon pricing. Does that person not understand the point of carbon pricing? Discussing carbon pricing without mentioning the underlying or aim of the pricing is like Basil Fawlty trying to "Don't mention the war".

The people who are ignorant will remain so. They'd rather do nothing ans suddenly find they are responsible for the change in climate that wipes out their grand children, if they live that long. They don't understand that line is being pushed by one group only. The polluters, for money. Abbott's masters.

Hang in there as carbon pricing IS going through and all the ranting in the world will not stop it. There are now enough people in Parliament to make it happen, come July at least.

 

Oh yes we'll wipe out our grand kids because we did nothing about our 1% emissions.

So who do you listen to, to garner your "wealth" of knowledge?

What a crock of ....